neurotic Iraqi wife
December 15, 2008
The Flying Iraqi Shoes...
I was gonna post something completely different but after the news, I have to write about this. Yup with freedom comes shoes. I didn’t even know of the incident until my sister called me up this afternoon and told me “you saw what happened last night” I was clueless, I had no idea what she was on about. “WHAT” I kept on asking. “What happened, tell me” She said “Neurotica, you must be joking. I cant believe you don’t know. Bush was hurled with shoes from a journalist” WTH!!! At first the words didn’t register.
“Please repeat what you just said sis, Bush who?” “Whats wrong with you Neurotica? Bush, Bush was in Iraq and was hurled with shoes” OMG. I couldn’t believe my ears. I ran to the TV and switched to al Jazeera. Lo and behold, the scenes were repeated infront of my eyes! OH MY GOD. I was in total shock. Darn, I slept early last night and missed out…
To say I wasn’t amused would be a total lie. For I was. That guy has balls. HUBBY on the other hand, yup he is here, wasn’t amused by the whole thing. He took it personally and said, “that journalist just tainted all Iraqis. He is stupid and low. He could have done it in another way, like maybe embarrass Bush with questions etc, but NOT hurl shoes at him”. Im sorry HUBBY but I think its funny. Im not laughing at Bush nor at the icy cold Maliki but am laughing at the whole situation. For never ever in the history of Iraq, did this happen to a world leader. NEVER. Good ducking reaction though I have to admit. But for Bush to say this is just proof of freedom makes me laugh even more. Yup with freedom comes shoes…
This immediately took me down to memory lane back to when I was a child. Although I wasn’t really one of those loud kids, but I dunno why my play time ALWAYS started the minute my dad steps into his bedroom for his afternoon siesta. This was way back when we were still living in Baghdad. I was about 4 or 5 and believe me I remember these incidents as if it were yesterday.
Every afternoon, the minute my father goes in that bedroom of his, I decide to jump and run in the corridor and ofcourse scream my lungs off pretending to chase some bad evil witches (watched too many cartoons I think). And out of the blue I would see flying slippers hurled at me by my mom, LOL. Oh and I tell you these slippers NEVER missed no matter how hard I tried to duck down. My mom had really good eyes :)
Yes those were the days. Im smiling now while Im writing this, for I dunno why almost all of us Iraqis have memories that involve slippers or shoes being hurled at us. I guess it’s an Iraqi tradition, and so for Bush’s farewell, he was bestowed with one of a kind tradition. The Shoes. The Flying Iraqi Shoes…
“Please repeat what you just said sis, Bush who?” “Whats wrong with you Neurotica? Bush, Bush was in Iraq and was hurled with shoes” OMG. I couldn’t believe my ears. I ran to the TV and switched to al Jazeera. Lo and behold, the scenes were repeated infront of my eyes! OH MY GOD. I was in total shock. Darn, I slept early last night and missed out…
To say I wasn’t amused would be a total lie. For I was. That guy has balls. HUBBY on the other hand, yup he is here, wasn’t amused by the whole thing. He took it personally and said, “that journalist just tainted all Iraqis. He is stupid and low. He could have done it in another way, like maybe embarrass Bush with questions etc, but NOT hurl shoes at him”. Im sorry HUBBY but I think its funny. Im not laughing at Bush nor at the icy cold Maliki but am laughing at the whole situation. For never ever in the history of Iraq, did this happen to a world leader. NEVER. Good ducking reaction though I have to admit. But for Bush to say this is just proof of freedom makes me laugh even more. Yup with freedom comes shoes…
This immediately took me down to memory lane back to when I was a child. Although I wasn’t really one of those loud kids, but I dunno why my play time ALWAYS started the minute my dad steps into his bedroom for his afternoon siesta. This was way back when we were still living in Baghdad. I was about 4 or 5 and believe me I remember these incidents as if it were yesterday.
Every afternoon, the minute my father goes in that bedroom of his, I decide to jump and run in the corridor and ofcourse scream my lungs off pretending to chase some bad evil witches (watched too many cartoons I think). And out of the blue I would see flying slippers hurled at me by my mom, LOL. Oh and I tell you these slippers NEVER missed no matter how hard I tried to duck down. My mom had really good eyes :)
Yes those were the days. Im smiling now while Im writing this, for I dunno why almost all of us Iraqis have memories that involve slippers or shoes being hurled at us. I guess it’s an Iraqi tradition, and so for Bush’s farewell, he was bestowed with one of a kind tradition. The Shoes. The Flying Iraqi Shoes…
55 Comments:
Hello Niw,
After I watched the video yesterday, my thoughts immediately went to you. I was pretty sure you would post. I laughed so hard when I when it that I have sore muscles in my stomach today. I have to disagree with hubby, I don't think this reflects on all Iraqis and I think that very few people will be offended by it. I think the journalist will be sort of a hero, so to speak. He did what thousands, maybe millions of people all over the world want to do, I only wish the shoes would have made contact. You have probably already read this article but if not, it's about the journalist being hailed by the Arab community.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081215/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq
Neurotica,
I thought that nothing will make me laugh as hard as I did over the shoe incident thrown at President Bush. But your post have just reminded me of my own childhood memories in Iraq. I ended up laughing at myself even harder. I thought I was the only child who received flying shoes from her mom. But I guess it truely was an iraqi tradition for disciplining kids. I have shared this memory with one of my American friends here but she found it hard to believe until i directed her to your post. Great job. I'm still cracking up. LOL.
Free Spirit
http://letstalkhealthnlife.blogspot.com/
Times a changing ;-) !
On March 18, 2003, two days before the beginning of the war on Iraq, ABC's Good Morning America asked her (Bush's mother) about her family's television viewing habits; she replied:
I watch none. He [former President Bush] sits and listens and I read books, because I know perfectly well that, don't take offense, that 90 percent of what I hear on television is supposition, when we're talking about the news. And he's not, not as understanding of my pettiness about that. But why should we hear about body bags and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or that or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that, and watch him suffer...
Unfortunately, some are raised not to clutter their beautiful minds on the death their idea's cause.WH
Lol Kathy, everytime the show the clip I just laugh. I cant stop myself. Yes I guess now he is a hero. As I said in my post, he has balls, he did what thousands maybe millions of Arabs wanted to do. But how the hell did he think of this? WOW
FS, Lol. No you arent the only one. Almost everyone I know was attacked by the so called "Shoes/slippers" saga. It just is funny to be able to relate to it. Wallah I used to duck down so fast, bes mom always got me. And you'd think it will teach me a lesson, never did :)
Matt, you mean times never change, we still talk the shoe language, Lol
Maybe your mother could give the journalist lessons on how to hit the target :)
NIW,
Do you think he planned to throw the shoes? Or did his frustations and anger take over and in the heat of the moment he hurled the shoes. After everything the Iraqi People have had to go through with Bush that should become a new tradition for all Iraqis to throw shoes at Bush. Either way I can't stop laughing.
As an American, but not particularly a Bush fan, I find this reporter's behavior insulting, disgusting, and juvenile. Now I know why our servicemen are over there in Iraq - to give freedom to reporters to act like idiots. My resolve is stronger than ever - GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ IMMEDIATELY!! You may be laughing now, but in the end, the joke's on you!
I have two opinions on the shoe throwing incident.
One is that I am glad Iraqis feel so free in their new society that they can throw shoes at a foreign dignitary without fear of them and their entire family being tortured and killed by the secret police. Freedom of expression is one of the most important rights and freedoms that every human is entitled to, even when it is used to express opinions that others disagree with.
The second opinion is that the act was classless, rude, and what one would expect from a crude uneducated peasant, not from a supposed professional journalist covering an important event happening in his country. Regardless of how he felt about Bush personally, his job as a journalist is to faithfully report the news to his audience without allowing himself to become the news instead. He may be a hero to Arabs who hate anything or anybody who attempts to move the Arab world out of the dark ages, but he has made a mockery of his profession and cast his country and its people as crude and classless.
Many in the world (perhaps incorrectly...perhaps not) view Arabs as being quick to resort to violence to express themselves. What this man has done will do nothing to change that perception. His pen is mightier than his sword as a journalist, and he could have written many stories that would shape the way the world viewed Bush's visit. Instead he drew his proverbial sword and chose to throw his shoes. Now he is barefoot and probably unemployed.
A hero? The thousands of Iraqis who risk getting tortured to death by terrorists for working with Americans are heros. This guy's a coward, he's probably surprised he's looking at any sort of prison sentence. He knows his grievances are owed to the terrorists far more than Bush, but he wouldn't do shit to piss THEM off, because the punishments they'd give him in return are too intimidating for him, and people would be afraid to venerate him because they'd worry they'd become similar targets. If Bush dealt with dissidents like Saddam or Al Qaeda, this "hero" be kissing Bush's ass. He even pulls this AFTER Bush agreed to one of the most generous SOFAs in US history. But I guess if want respect in the middle east, you have to be a merciless dick. It worked for the militias and Saddam, after all.
-Dennis
SPUDS they were called. My famous RED SPUDS!!! The baby of five children in my family, I was constantly tormented, in a loving way by my big brothers and sisters. I would get so frustrated as they were BIGGER and more POWERFUL than I. They would antigonize me until I would cry and get so frustrated I would sit down, and take off my BRIGHT RED sneakers and simply hurl them at the speed of light (well as fast as a five year old girl could throw) at my older brother. They would just laugh louder as my shoes would never hit the target, which would frustrate me more. In the end, it left me 'shoe-less' and then looking for my own shoes out in the yard. My older siblings never did let me forget those moments and still tease me to this day about my 'RED SPUDS'.....even the neighbor kids remember me as that little red-headed girl that threw the shoes. Thirty five years later, I think I would refer to those shoes as "BALLS"........or "COURAGE". I'm probably the least likely person to ever sit and talk or bicker about politics. Nevertheless I strongly believe in the "RIGHT" or the freedom of expression, of speech, of religion and belief. I applaud the reporter who threw his SHOES at our PRESIDENT. Nevertheless I applaud our PRESIDENT for being intuitive enough to know that it was symbolic of the strength and the will and the everlasting power of the human spirit of the IRAQI people........a country that is ready to fight for their FREEDOMS, a people that are ready to face the opponent, no matter how BIG he is..and take their country back. Yes, that is one of the first signs of FREEDOM.
NAW
Are there really people who think Bush is above Suddam, they are one in the same. The first behind his army, the other was out front of his army, both used their armies in the death of thousands of Iraqi's.
I guess there really are people who think Bush is competent, surprise, surprise, but Honorable c'mon!!
when i saw the videoclip this morning i laughed so hard and initially i wanted to start my own blog again!!!!
then when i thought about it a bit more (After some coffee) i thought it was a setup.. or bush reacted so quickly it was amazing for a man of his age..
the funny guy was mr maliki.. he didn't REALISE what was going on until the bodyguards moved.. to be honest it's embarrasing coz bush was faster than the bodyguards to react. no?
"Are there really people who think Bush is above Suddam, they are one in the same."
Seriously? You are serious when you say that? Wow...you need to get out more and read what Saddam did to people and their families. Saddam and his henchmen killed people for fun...for amusement...for questioning them...for whatever reason they wanted. Sure, US forces have made mistakes and have killed civilians, but in the exceptionally rare cases where such killings were intentional and were not result of unintended collateral damage from other battles, the troops involved have been prosecuted for it. Saddam killed people on purpose and took pleasure in it. Big difference...but perhaps you are too blind to see it?
Oh, 'Tex', you voted Republican right, and know where those WMD are.
Iraq is a cesspool and its people deserved Saddam and his evil sons. This American does not think it is funny that a stupid journalist can throw shoes at the man who rid your nation of a tyrant. Thousands of brave and selfless US soldiers died. Laugh all you want. Frig you. You may have the freedom to throw shoes but you did not earn or deserve it. I hate the idea that we went into such a country so ungrateful. You call us occupiers, when the truth is we can't wait to get out of your stinking country.
jajaja, joder, me cago en la hostia
Neurotica,
I am having a mixed feelings about the shoe-throwing incident but I have to admit, the young Iraqi boy in me, had the time of his life! an since we're talking about the classical child parenting techniques adopted by Iraqis, me and my brother were always victims of dad's Cruz missile shoes! we used to say that they must have been laser-guided! damn it, they even followed us when we TURN into a room out of the corridors!
I keep checking your site...waiting to hear from Edit_Mommies....comments. Hmmm...I have three children to take of..I best buy some more shoes. Thinking back again, my mother did threaten us once or twice with her Shoes on long car trips....but she wore RED HIGH HEELS...OUCH.
NAW
Neurotica,
Please forgive the intrusion by the people I like to refer to as "Chimpletons," or "wingtards." Sadly, around 1 in 5 of us in America still worships the moronic monkey sitting in our Presidency as if he were some kind of a God, and no amount of factual data will persuade them. They tend to get their "news" from sources that would have made Saddam's best propagandists blush in awe.
I truly do hope for the best health and speedy freedom for Muntazer al-Zaidi, and for more understanding here in America as to why Muntazer is so angry. I do not necessarily condone the way that he expressed his anger, but I certainly do understand why he is so angry.
Lol Anon, yeah maybe my mom should give him some tips...
Kathy, you know, I have no idea. I asked myself teh same questions. My brother on the other hand thinks that someone paid him to do it. I have no clue...
Oh cmon MA, dont be too serious. In hindsight, yes its appalling but on the other, its funny. Not because its Bush, but to me its the whole situation that made me laugh...
Tex I agree, thats what HUBBY also said, his pen could have been mightier. Do you agree with my brother who suggested maybe he was paid to do this?
Dennis, would you say the same thing if lets say this happened somewhere Non Arabic? I mean look at what happened to Sarkozy, in his first few days? He was slapped by a pie. Hmmm, maybe pies are better than shoes
Lol NAW!!!!Actually I was impressed by his nonchalant behaviour
Anon, Bush is no where near honourable, thats just my own humble opinion.
Lol Buj, I totally agree!!! When my sister told me, I thought she was pulling my leg. But when I saw it on TV I just couldnt believe my eyes. LOOOOOOL. Im sorry but im still laughing...
Oh cmon Anon!!!seriously now. You didnt find any humour in it at all? I would have laughed the same if it happened to anyone other than Bush. I still think Al Zaidi has balls...Besides, I will ask you teh same question I asked earlier, would you have reacted the same if this incident took place somewhere other than Iraq? Like Africa maybe? Or France? Or the UK even?
Lol Leo...Yeah the wrath of the Iraqi shoes/slippers. Those were the days. I guess in the most "advanced" countries they use spanking, we have yet to learn that language :)
Ouch NAW...Actually for Iraqis it doesnt matter what shoes, be it high heels, be it flats, be it even boots. LOL
JR, I think its abit extreme for 100 lawyers to say they will defend him. I also think him being hailed a hero is abit much. Throwing shoes is no act of heroism. If I wanna be serious right now, the real heros are those who lost their lives in the name of their country. Thats my serious side, but again I repeat, he has some balls :)
Yes, he had balls. But I bet they're pretty bruised right now, though. The Yanks will have given him a kicking and then handed him over to the Iraqis, demonstrating to them how to give a kicking ('empowering the security apparatus') before leaving the Iraqis to give him a kicking themselves.
Only then could the judicial process truly commence...
As you well know, hitting someone with a shoe is a deep insult in the Arab world, signifying that the person being struck is as low as the dirt underneath the sole of a shoe. This journalist also shouted, "This is a gift from the Iraqis; this is the farewell kiss, you dog!" This journalist's "humorous" behavior reflects so highly on the Iraqi people. He is even being hailed as a hero! Like I said before - there is no need for any American serviceman or women to further shed blood on Iraqi soil. It appears Iraq is more than capable to govern without any U.S. involvement. Just send our heros home and you can keep yours! M.A.
You Americans don't get it, do you? I mean, two flying shoes in the face of your leader from an Iraqi with the words "this is your farewell kiss, you dog" and you still ask why and what? Iraqis don't want you, never wanted you, and never asked you to liberate them. If you think killing them in the hundreds of thousands and unleashing your puppets and their militias on them is liberating them, then I'm afraid there is not enough shoes in the world to smack you imperialists on the face before you get it. Get out of our country now, filthy dogs.
Neurotica,
I doubt very seriously that the man was paid to throw his shoes. I think it is more likely that he is simply one who doesn't see the big picture very well and doesn't understand the way in which his acts reflect on more than just himself. We have plenty of people just like him in America, so his actions or his type are in no way unique to Iraq.
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Iraqi citizen,
What bravado you show with your newly found freedom on the internet Mr. Iraqi citizen. How brave of you to insult America and its soldiers now that you know for sure that they would never deliberately harm you for voicing such an opinion and would in fact defend your right to do so, sacrificing their lives if necessary. But where was your bravado when Saddam and his sons were raping your country's daughters, torturing its few outspoken voices, and kidnapping and killing your neighbors in the night? Where was your bravado when Al Qaeda and Muqtada were cruising your neighborhoods searching for victims to help ignite the civil war? Were you out in front of your house with a rifle defending your home and that of your neighbors? Were you in line at the police station braving the suicide attacks and waiting your turn to volunteer for the army or the police? Were you like Neurotica coming into Iraq from another country...running to the sound of the guns instead of staying home where it was safe?
Or were you one of the ones cowering in your home and hoping the terrorists didn't pick you next? Refusing to call in and tell anybody that your neighbor was a terrorist? Silently praying to Allah that the next knock on the door was American soldiers or Iraqi army there to search and secure the neighborhood and not Al Qaeda or JAM there to take you away to their torture chambers? Your bravado on the internet is wonderful to see and I am glad you have the freedom to voice your opinion now that the war is winding down and America is preparing to leave...but where was your voice being heard in 2005 and 2006? Or was it heard at all?
There is nothing wrong with hiding in your home from violence...but it is somewhat hypocritical to come out once it is safer and call the men who made it that way filthy dogs.
NIW,
If I saw this happen in a country where being a journalist wasn't an extremely dangerous job, then yes, I'd say he had balls. But plenty of journalists in Iraq have died in obscurity for trying to bring truth to the population. Meanwhile, this guy throws two shoes, misses twice, and only risks a prison sentence and God knows how many Al-Jazera interviews and talk-show appearances, and he's hailed as a hero!? People aren't hailing him as a hero because he had courage, plenty of journalists in Iraq had that, and died because of it. They are hailing him as a hero because they know they can. They know no one will kill them for it. If Iraqis don't want to be stepped on so much, then they need to stop taking advantage of everyone who shows them some form of mercy.
-Dennis
Al Zaidi proved that he is excellent at aiming at his target, but Bush was lucky to do the swinging right and on time to avoid the Iraqi way of saying "farewell" - the days of baseball he spent in a team that mostly lost all its matches did help indeed :D
Tell me what freedom we have today? Freedom to throw shoes on a murderer only to get beaten up and possibly tortured afterwards? Looks like Saddam's style to me. What more freedom do we have? Being killed by american cowards thousands of feets above the air? Or american cowards hiding in tanks? Or suicide bombers blowing us up on the street? Or American and Iranian sympathizers killing us? The freedom to lie on coffin? The freedom to absolutely obey religious fundamentalists unless we want to be killed? The freedom to be shot in our car in our own country? Freedom for pregnant Christian women to be shot to death? Freedom for 14 year old Iraqi girls to be raped by U.S troops? Do you mean the freedom provided to us during the "shock and awe" moment that even Saddam himself wasn't dumb enough to provide? Like U.S troops shooting randomly at passers-by, killing women, children and men who had done nothing. Shooting at any cars passing by. Or later on reports of house searched where U.S troops kicked doors open, humiliated people, frisking of women (this is UNTHINKABLE in Iraqi society), stealing money, destroying and wrecking furniture, humiliating men in front of their wives and the rest of their family. Most of these were innocent, most of them didn't even recieve an apology from the barbarians. Is this your freedom? Maybe your freedom is where hundreds of thousand of Iraqi children die due to starvation? Or killing of soldiers who had surrendered? Or the freedom of Iraqis to let U.S troops putting boots on the necks of harmless old men in front of their children and grandchildren? Or the freedom to have U.S troops fire at our vechiles on the road at the slightest suspicion, of course totally unprovoked most of the times, thus killing entire families? Or the freedom to have U.S troops fire at protestors in Fallujah who were marching against the seizure of children's school by U.S troops. Oh right around 13-20 people were killed in the crowd. Soldiers claimed someone in the crowd were firing on them except that none of them were even injured and that there was no witness of any shotting at all except the americans shooting. Or the freedom to let U.S troops bomb a town for three weeks killing hundreds of Iraqi civilians in the process, many of them being children and women? Or using white phospherous on civilians? How about the freedom to let the American army drop 2000 pound bombs with a destructive power of 400 meters into INHABITED areas, just to destroy a single house of a suspected terrorists (as most know, suspected terrorists often mean innocent civilian). Or the freedom of being tortured and abused at prisons, especially when you most likely are held without any charge. Or the freedom of letting the U.S shell one of the most sacred shrines in Najaf just to bring out one man to justice, never mind that the men of this man, at that time held 21 seats in the National Assembly. Or the freedom of letting U.S troops insulting Iraqi women? The freedom of letting U.S troops to spy and take pictures of university students in their university? Is this the freedom you're talking about? Is this the freedom Americans are talking about? Can someone explain to me why so many (but NOT all) americans are so f*cking stupid? Why so many still live in denial? Why many still support atrocities against inhabitants of a nation that NEVER hurt them? Anyone that mind explaining?
In fact the U.S together with the new Iraqi government aren't that that different from Saddam, in fact they are worse.
Let's take some example, such as disregarding the law and order by U.S soldiers on Iraqi streets, this was to an extent that even Saddam's men weren't allowed or even DARED to do. Numerous Iraqis have witnessed incidents where military and civilian CPA vechiles forced their way against incoming traffic on the opposite side on the streets just because the other side was jammed with traffic. I've witnessed this myself during my stay in Iraq
How you used to block main roads and bridges, and still do way more then what Saddam and his thugs did.
Continous lies by high-level politicans AND military commanders about small and large things, before they used to claim that the security situation was all under controll, now its all about covering up the atrocities of their masters. Killing women, men and children and then report them as dead terrorists, this happened in Fallujah, and in fact happened in Sadr City, the U.S refused to accept the fact that no terrorist was involved in their bombings like barbarians from the stone age. Kind of like Saddam lied about his victims
People being arrested and then disappearing for long periods, often without any charges and not guilty of anything. Many of them end up in U.S-run camps. Never mind that families aren't even informed about the situation or condition of their lost one. Exactly similiar to how Saddam used to kidnap people and then you would never hear of them again..unless you were lucky.
Privilieges, favors, contract among other things to the cronies.
Remember how you had to join the Baath party since joining any other one make you guilty of crime according to the ICCR resolutions? Same thing now, anyone not with the ones controlling the government department are deemed as thugs, bandits, terrorists and are to be killed.
Not giving real thugs punishment for their wrong doings. Even Saddam made sure to punish dogs that broke his rule ALWAYS.
Manufacture of political arms, organizations etc. just like Saddam used to do.
I can continue forever. You're the same as Saddam, only this time you do it behind "freedom" and "democracy" which btw most Iraqis, except those benefitting by working with Americans (you know who you are) shit on. Iraq has always had a problem where a part of its people suffer from defeatist attitudes and suffer from colonial mentality, believing the West is always there to help them no matter how much they hurt them. Those people are the first ones to side with the occupiers, or parties brought by occupiers. Those people existed when the monarchy was brought to Iraq, when the Baath party was brought into rule, and then finally when the new government was brought into the rule. Those people are the first one to defend the killers of their people, while their people suffer. Those tend to be the first ones to be properly executed once foreigners are kicked out and the rule is once again in the hand of us Iraqis. General Qasim's group did a fine job at executing Faisal and his party of western dogs, hopefully a new leader like Qasim will emerge, doing the same to anyone who defended the U.S and its actions in Iraq, despite all clear evidence of continous interference of Iraq since the 50's.
So...all you dipshits who keep saying that this man had the freedom to throw his shoe without being hurt? Looks pretty much to me that he's being hurt both psychically and physically. So much for the "What would have happened if he throw it at Saddam" guys after, never mind that you are the same guys who are incapable of realizing that we weren't the one that brought Saddam to power, never mind that you're also are the same guys who would have most likely not uttered a word when Saddam was the great ally of the United States, the Champion and Fighter for the Dictators of the world.
I also find it very interesting to see that many of the American posters (accross the various forums devoted to this topic) who have taken most offense to the shoe throwing incident were the very posters who dismissed the Qu'ran shooting incident as "it's just a book". Right back at you, a-holes.
What you just said to this Iraqi is what you just said to millions of Iraqis now who share his view. The U.S and its soldiers are no different then Saddam and his men, both of you guys are the same, you steal, rape, pillage, destroy and kill. There's no difference whatsoever, sorry to burst your bubble where the white man is always the good and the brown man is always evil. This did work on the native americans, it won't work on us. Now piss off you piece of shit.
The United States, its flag, your values, culture, tradition, and you as people MEAN SHIT in Iraq, now go cry in a corner over the fact that the world, especially a country you bombed to bits, strangely(NOT!) do not like you.
NIW, your husband is an example of an Iraqi who's goal is to only appease Westerners instead of truly supporting the actions of an Iraqi man, a man of his country who expressed his anger not only over all deaths done to our women, children and elders, but due to the fact that thanks to this war the man was kidnapped by militias and then later on arrested by U.S soldiers, for NO REASON. This would have been wrong and uncivilized ONLY if the leader standing in front of Al-Zaidi was a leader who had never hurted Iraq in any way. But for Bush, he deserve it. I bet you guys would say that throwing a shoe at Hitler would be dispresectful eh? After all what's wrong with Hitler, the places he occupied was done for the best interest of the locals, he just tried to impose his rule on them which he decided was better for them, he did what he thought was best, just like Bush!
There are only three kind of people who defend this:
1. Iraqi-Americans who already sold their souls out to the U.S just to be accepted in a society that, mind you, is supposed to be tolerant according to the very own words of its citizens. Much tolerance there, seems your bashed and hurt if you don't share the same view as those true (blind) American patriots.
2. Kurds, who strangely love the U.S no matter how much it was involved in the gassing of Kurds.
3. Weak Iraqis who in general are always trying appease westerners, thugs, traitors who never care about their country but only about those providing them money (aka the west).
Btw funny how the representative of the Roman Emperor got addressed in a similiar way by the Caliphate of Baghdad centuries ago. Seems history repeat itself.
If only life was that simple that we could group and discriminate people by their race, their color, their sexual affiliation or by their religion.....Evil and good is in every culture, in every country........There are some brown men that are Good and there are some white men that are good......just as evil can dwell in anyone, anywhere. Everyday we chose to be good or evil, to breed hatred or to bring LIGHT and good to this world. It is your choice to allow history to repeat itself and it is our choice to teach our children to love and not to hate. Stop your prejudice talk. Dogs come in all colors and are in every walk of life.......shoes or no shoes. Posted by a White American, who voted for a Black President.
Happy Birthday Neurotica.....You and your husband are doing a job that your children will be proud of.....You are making your country a better place and our world a brighter place....Firefly
You had to go cover over five years to make your atrocity list. Just look at icasaulties.org for THIS MONTH. 147 Iraqi civilians were killed. How many died of those 147 died at the hands of Americans? Oh wait, I forgot, Americans are responsible for the wrong-doings of their enemies, so every atrocity the enemy commits makes their cause for US troop withdrawl look more legitimate.
Do you really think anyone who’d thrown a shoe at Saddam would ever see the light of day again? No, you don’t. You might claim otherwise, but you don’t.
The only reason America has taken ANY casualties in this war is because it’s not willing to use its full destructive potential. If America had simply leveled Iraq from the sky (an easy feat), which no Iraqi, whether insurgent or Saddam’s henchman, could have stopped, the war would be over without a single American casualty, there were be no need to spend trillions on reconstruction, and the oil would be free.
Iraq was a battleground for the last five years (and still is, to a lesser extent), and like with all wars fighting means the objective has not yet been achieved. It may be closer, but its not yet at the desired end-state. If Iraq was at its desired end state, we wouldn't be calling the post 2003 period a war. So how life in Iraq is during a war doesn’t mean shit. I’m sure life was hell in Europe during World War II, but that doesn't mean it reflected the end state of Europe once the war was won. Similarly, how US troops behave hardly means shit for Iraqs future, since it will be a matter of months before US troops are confined to their bases.
Iraq has improved drastically since the troop surge, Muqtada's cease fire, and the rise of former insurgents working with US forces. Even if you doubt the troop surge helped, both the cease-fire and former Al-Qaeda helpers turning to the US meant that the end of anti-American agendas improves Iraq.
And to say US imposed its rule on Iraq is BS and you know it (not that I expected that to stop you from saying it). If it were under US control, Maliki wouldn’t be the one serving as Prime Minister.
No one hailed the Koran shooter as a hero, so don’t bother with that inane analogy.
Anyway, I see your “strong” Iraqis have been quite industrious this month. 2 US deaths, and those aren’t even necessarily due to hostile action. Way to go. Those "strong" Iraqis sure have wills of steel to accomplish so much devastation.
-Dennis
"You had to go cover over five years to make your atrocity list. "
And? What's your point? That since some of those occurred five years ago they simply don't matter anymore? I could go back prior to the occupation, I could go back to the gulf war, the Iran-Iraq war, or back to the time when the CIA provided the Baathists with lists of members of the ICP.
"Just look at icasaulties.org for THIS MONTH. 147 Iraqi civilians were killed. How many died of those 147 died at the hands of Americans? Oh wait, I forgot, Americans are responsible for the wrong-doings of their enemies, so every atrocity the enemy commits makes their cause for US troop withdrawl look more legitimate."
Every single death in Iraq right now, wether it be done by an american soldier or by a foreign guy from a neighbhouring country or by an Iraqi, is a DIRECT RESULT of the invasion, every death is indirectly the fault of your nation, I know you want to believe that your nation is never wrong, but step into reality, every nation in this world have blood spread in its name. Americans are the only one who refuse to accept this fact. Just 147 huh? Well it was just some thousands who died in 9-11, not a big deal eh?
"Do you really think anyone who’d thrown a shoe at Saddam would ever see the light of day again? No, you don’t. You might claim otherwise, but you don’t."
I never claimed so, this does not even refute anything I said, Saddam, his group, the Baathist regime would have never had the opportunity to rule had it not been for the massive support recieved from you guys. Why do you never mention this? Are you trying to erase the fact that you overthrow one of our most civilized governments since self-rule due to the fact that they nationalized Iraq's oil industry and furthermore created economic policies which your nation considered as a threat (further proving that you are a typical greedy western nation)
"The only reason America has taken ANY casualties in this war is because it’s not willing to use its full destructive potential. If America had simply leveled Iraq from the sky (an easy feat), which no Iraqi, whether insurgent or Saddam’s henchman, could have stopped, the war would be over without a single American casualty, there were be no need to spend trillions on reconstruction, and the oil would be free."
Btw you moronic shit, let me remind you that once the U.S invaded you guys fired around 400 000+ Iraqi military/police . Saddam basically had to keep over 500 000+ (more like 600 000-700 000) police/paramilitary for security to keep the country frm falling in chaos. Are you going to tell me that you didn't know this would bring nothing but havoc and chaos in the country? You didn't use your full military power, but you sure as hell caused the problems in Iraq with the intention of doing so.
"Iraq was a battleground for the last five years (and still is, to a lesser extent), and like with all wars fighting means the objective has not yet been achieved. It may be closer, but its not yet at the desired end-state. If Iraq was at its desired end state, we wouldn't be calling the post 2003 period a war. So how life in Iraq is during a war doesn’t mean shit. I’m sure life was hell in Europe during World War II, but that doesn't mean it reflected the end state of Europe once the war was won. Similarly, how US troops behave hardly means shit for Iraqs future, since it will be a matter of months before US troops are confined to their bases."
There you go, no value whatsoever put on Iraqi life, of course this doesn't affect you, since you don't live there let alone have any relatives over there at all. How long will you fight and justify your massacre? Until every single one of us Iraqis are dead, will you be only satisfied then? Will you be only satisfied when we are in the same situation as the native americans which your forefathers perfectly almost eliminated from the face of the earth. Is it in your blood to want war, killing and destruction constantly, not only in your own countries but in other countries, such as Iraq (monarchy, Saddam, Maliki etc.)? Because that's how it seems so far to me.
"Iraq has improved drastically since the troop surge, Muqtada's cease fire, and the rise of former insurgents working with US forces. Even if you doubt the troop surge helped, both the cease-fire and former Al-Qaeda helpers turning to the US meant that the end of anti-American agendas improves Iraq."
Anti-american views still exist strongly in Iraq, your only true supporters are the Kurds, who btw get slaughtered by the Turks, your other allies, mind you that's Kurds mostly in the Northen parts, those in more arab-populated cities have a mixed views. The price wasn't worth it, you imposed your will on us, your forced yourself on us. You are the aggressors here, not us. Anything happenening due to your aggression is directly your fault. Let me remind you that your first objective was the WMDs. Why don't you tell me where they are?
"And to say US imposed its rule on Iraq is BS and you know it (not that I expected that to stop you from saying it). If it were under US control, Maliki wouldn’t be the one serving as Prime Minister."
Nope not at all, after all it wasn't the U.S who caught Saddam and made sure he was hanged, after all it wasn't the U.S who invaded and occupied Iraq, after all it wasn't the U.S who said that they would leave Iraq as soon Maliki's government requested so yet came up with the SOFA to delay the withdrawal, even talking about not withdrawing at all. It wasn't the U.S government either who kept pressuring the Iraqi government to accept the SOFA, don't let me pick every instance where the U.S government have been interferring with Iraq. You guys already imposed your will on us when you overthrew Qasim's government. Does that fact hurt you? Oh, did I also forget to mention that you guys spied on Maliki? Seems you can't even trust your own dog.
"No one hailed the Koran shooter as a hero, so don’t bother with that inane analogy."
There were countless of Muslim-hating Americans who hailed him as a hero, most of the other ones tried to justify the event by just saying "Its a book". I'm sorry, its not my fault that your citizens are retards. Not a single american, with the exception of the few and smart ones, took into consideration the status of Islam or the Qur'an in Iraq, let alone Iraqi Culture and Arabic culture which itself is closely connected to Islam. Most tried to pass it just as an incident where some unimportant "holy book" worth crap was crushed. Same thing here, it was just a couple of shoes that flew against Bush, unfortunately they didn't hit him, but if I remember correct they hit the American flag, at least that's good ;)
"Anyway, I see your “strong” Iraqis have been quite industrious this month. 2 US deaths, and those aren’t even necessarily due to hostile action. Way to go. Those "strong" Iraqis sure have wills of steel to accomplish so much devastation.
-Dennis"
It doesn't change the fact that we don't want you in our country, furthermore it just shows us ordinary citizens, despite disliking you guys, are peaceful when YOU are occupying our country, could the same be said about you? Apparently not considering that you bombed two countries into pieces for an incident were you merely just lost over 2000 people or something like that. Imagine what would happen if someone occupied you instead of just destroying two towers. Or wait, never mind, things like these won't go through your american brain until they really happen towards you. Maybe once you've lost someone from your family, or your wife if you're married due to interference from another country then you'll think twice about what you're saying.
Also, when the best rationale for Iraq any of you war supporters can come up with is "It was worse under Saddam" and you pretty much have to rely on events that happened over a decade ago as your only evidence you've set the bar of success quite low. If that is the best you'll do, then its just beyond me how you think all you've done, which btw still means shit to us 5 years later, is even worth the cost of Iraq (both in terms of money and innocent lives). Now Ef-off.
Hmm I read the comments and Im more perplexed than before. It seems we went back to the argument of was the war wrong or right, which btw, I can care less what the answer is because the war took place already and we cant change the past.
I visited my parents yesterday and wow, the whole Iraqi community is talking about the incident from what my mom told me. Forget the SOFA or the bombings, talk of the town is AlZaidi. And jokes galore have been coming thru the mobile phones.
I dont see him as a hero. I really dont. But let me tell you what this actually did. In many ways, this united Iraqis. YES, united them. All those who came on TV and shunned the guy are a bunch of liars. Theyre probably jealous. Cause you see, just like the western media, when we like someone we take them to the highest point, and when we hate them, we just shun them down.
HUBBY said its a very uncivilized way to express an opinion by throwing shoes, which btw I totally agree (I still see it as funny tho). To one of the commentors, you will never find a more nationalist than HUBBY. When he said its wrong, he didnt condemn the act cuz its Bush. He condemned it because he made the reasoning of, violence never resolves anything. Thats where he was coming from. Plus, he said, had this guy done the same thing in Saddam era he wouldnt be alive today, which is true.
Honestly, I think I have OD'd on the subject.
Firefly, thanks, how'd you know it was my birthday :)
Anon I agree. Evil and good come in all shapes and sizes
Lagash, I can see where you're coming from, but also, dont forget the atrocities we Iraqis did in our own country from killings, kidnappings, bombings, beheadings etc. If we as a country didnt repsect our own citizens, do you think that strangers/foreigners would respect them? Cmon, lets not forget that easily what sadr's men did, what sunni extremists did and what the petty criminal iraqis did to our own women and children. Lets not go into that blame game, it wont get us anywhere...Did Bush deserve this, OH YES HE DID. I used to throw my shoes at him and AlMaliki whenever they came on TV. But to hail that guy as a hero is way too much. As I said, the heros are those who died in the name of their country. Hundred of thousands of Iraqis are the heros. The soldiers who thought were fighting a cause are also heros. I know you will disagree with me, but thats my own opinion just like the above is yours.
Lol Mixmax, thats funny. Long time no see btw...Good to hear from you
Alexander, yup I think theyre well bruised by now...
MA, Do u think Obama will change his strategy after this incident?
Iraqi Citizen, again I can see where you're coming from BUT answer me this, dont you think dogs are much more loyal than our own. What do u call both the Shia and sunni extremists who killed thousands of Iraqis and raped the women and orphaned the children?Cats?
http://www.sockandawe.com/
I got this in my inbox...Too funny
LAGASH - wow are you angry! You know what though? I am, too! We have common ground though in that we both want U.S. troops out of Iraq! I didn't personally care about Saddam being a brute - he was YOUR leader, not mine. Iraqis are the ones that threw their shoes at his statue - not Americans! Most countries are founded on centuries and centuries of history dating back to biblical times, and that is especially true of Middle Eastern countries. On the other hand, our great Nation was formed by a handful of men who were brave enough to fight for their independence from British rule and injustice. We fought our battles, shed our blood, and won. The U.S. was built on enlightened philosophy, not ancient history, nor sectarian prejudices, or religious differences. We Americans are open-minded and resourceful. We strongly believe in "LIVE AND LET LIVE." We are tolerant to a fault sometimes. Funny thing is when I travel to foreign countries, I try to observe their customs and make an effort before I leave to learn about them. When foreigners travel to the U.S., they can wear their native garb, say or do anything, we don't care.
I think Iraq should resolve their own sectarian and political disputes like our forefathers did for our young Country. Either kill each other off or learn how to get along like Americans had to do. I don't think the U.S should spend one dime in any foreign country. My tax dollars would be much better spent on our needy children, poor, and elderly U.S. citizens. I am tired of the U.S. rushing in to bail out other countries for disasters such as tsunamis, medical crises, earthquakes,floods, etc. I want U.S. dollars to assist needy and appreciative U.S. citizens. Not one country sent foreign aid to America during Hurricane Katrina, 9-11, etc. I truly resent that my tax dollars go to countries who hate us. Fortunately, America is self-sufficient. We do not have to rely on a foreign government for anything.
I did not vote for Barack Hussein Obama for President (but voted for what I believed was the lesser of two evils), but I hope to God that Obama keeps his campaign promise to get our troops back safely on American soil. If Obama keeps his promise, I will vote to re-elect him 4 years from now. As soon as he is sworn in as President in January, I hope that is his first order of business. He couldn't do it soon enough to please me and LOTS of other Americans. Hopefully, it will please you, too, Lagash. Then you can step up to the plate and participate in rebuilding your own country, shed your own blood. If you really think that Saddam was a great leader, I am sure you will not have a difficult time finding a like-minded leader to replace him. But trust me when I say, I DON'T CARE! I don't care if your life was worse or better under Saddam - only you can judge that and only you can correct that. It is something I don't have to worry about here in the U.S. and I certainly don't want to spend my hard-earned tax dollars on YOUR problems. Again, spend your own hard-earned tax dollars and shed your own blood. Rebuild your country with integrity. Stop fighting with everyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do. Learn tolerance. Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself.
By the way, Obama's grandfather was a practicing muslim and you know what? I DON'T CARE! His stepfather was a radical muslim and you know what? I DON'T CARE! Obama's half-African and you know what? I DON'T CARE!
NIW - no, I don't believe Obama will change his strategy over the shoe incident. Although I can say that I do not know one American who thought the incident was "humorous," again, Americans are tolerant and for the vast majority, uninformed of Middle Eastern customs. Most American's do not even realize what a serious and momentous insult the shoe throwing issue was, so it only had true meaning for Iraqis/Arabs. Even when Americans are being told in the media that this was the insult of insults, it is hard for Americans to understand this particular insult when we do things like extend the middle finger and dirty feet means nothing but simply dirty feet. Americans understand "flipping the bird" and if the reporter had done that, the reaction would have been much stronger and it would have shown more disrepect than throwing a shoe. We see throwing a shoe as an simple assault not as an insult. Had the reporter flipped Bush the bird, many Americans would have thought that was funny including probably myself and would have understood the insult. Most American think just some crazy Arab reporter (probably a terrorist) had a hissy fit and went off. In fact, the only reason I reacted at all was because I worked for the U.S. Gov't and visited Cairo many times where the U.S. Navy has a medical laboratory and assists Egypt in fighting infectious diseases. The U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit #3 (NAMRU3), has been in Cairo since the mid 1950's at the request of Egypt. In Cairo I was briefed on certain customs and cultural differences - don't cross your legs and show the bottom of your feet, touch when talking, don't back away when in conversation, don't be late for an appointment, etc. Most Americans don't know the customs or nuances of other countries, particularly the Middle East. I've seen plenty of Americans act stupid in France, Italy, Greece, and a host of other countries.
M.A.
Neurotica.. i read this and thought it's hilarious!!!
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/paying-down-the-deficit-with-whizzing-shoes/
“And? What's your point? That since some of those occurred five years ago they simply don't matter anymore? I could go back prior to the occupation, I could go back to the gulf war, the Iran-Iraq war, or back to the time when the CIA provided the Baathists with lists of members of the ICP.”
No, my point is that I can make a more grizzly list of things the enemy did to the population in a single month than you can make for the Americans in five years. And yet you shrug off the enemies crimes, except as means to blame America.
“Every single death in Iraq right now, wether it be done by an american soldier or by a foreign guy from a neighbhouring country or by an Iraqi, is a DIRECT RESULT of the invasion, every death is indirectly the fault of your nation, I know you want to believe that your nation is never wrong, but step into reality, every nation in this world have blood spread in its name. Americans are the only one who refuse to accept this fact. Just 147 huh? Well it was just some thousands who died in 9-11, not a big deal eh?”
Yes, that’s nice. So the insurgents can be as savage as they want, and it will only make AMERICA look worse. That’s why they never have to worry about being cruel, because people like you say their cruelty should make their American enemies look bad.
Most Kurds think they are doing better than they were under Saddam because the Kurdish regions didn’t have an INSURGENCY.
“Btw you moronic shit, let me remind you that once the U.S invaded you guys fired around 400 000+ Iraqi military/police . Saddam basically had to keep over 500 000+ (more like 600 000-700 000) police/paramilitary for security to keep the country frm falling in chaos. Are you going to tell me that you didn't know this would bring nothing but havoc and chaos in the country? You didn't use your full military power, but you sure as hell caused the problems in Iraq with the intention of doing so.”
“Moronic shit”? Are you an 8 year old with a very good grasp on the English language, or an incredibly immature middle aged man? Only Saddam’s staunchest supporters stayed in his army through the invasion (the rest deserted). Yes, I’m sure you’d be praising us if we used a dictator’s army to fight for democracy. No matter what we do, you’ll say it’s wrong, because its not right and wrong that matters to you, it’s bashing the US. On the other hand, I don’t think my nation has always been right. For example, I think it was wrong for the US to go along with the UN sanctions on Iraq.
“There you go, no value whatsoever put on Iraqi life, of course this doesn't affect you, since you don't live there let alone have any relatives over there at all. How long will you fight and justify your massacre? Until every single one of us Iraqis are dead, will you be only satisfied then? Will you be only satisfied when we are in the same situation as the native americans which your forefathers perfectly almost eliminated from the face of the earth. Is it in your blood to want war, killing and destruction constantly, not only in your own countries but in other countries, such as Iraq (monarchy, Saddam, Maliki etc.)? Because that's how it seems so far to me.”
It doesn’t effect me!? We’re fighting the f*cking war while other countries take out the popcorn and throw an occasional jeer from the sidelines. I suppose I also take no value in the lives of those killed in World War II? Next time you have nothing clever to say, just don’t say anything.
“Nope not at all, after all it wasn't the U.S who caught Saddam and made sure he was hanged, after all it wasn't the U.S who invaded and occupied Iraq, after all it wasn't the U.S who said that they would leave Iraq as soon Maliki's government requested so yet came up with the SOFA to delay the withdrawal, even talking about not withdrawing at all. It wasn't the U.S government either who kept pressuring the Iraqi government to accept the SOFA, don't let me pick every instance where the U.S government have been interferring with Iraq. You guys already imposed your will on us when you overthrew Qasim's government. Does that fact hurt you? Oh, did I also forget to mention that you guys spied on Maliki? Seems you can't even trust your own dog.”
BS and you know it. It was the US who made countless concessions on that SOFA, and the Iraqi Parliament signed the damn thing. If the US was able to pressure the Iraqi government at all it was because its presence was USEFUL. That’s our crime? Being useful? We’d have a much easier time coercing the Iraqi government into our agenda from across the atlantic, because while we’re in Iraq they can attack our bases.
And how the fuck does anyone get asked to bring democracy anywhere? If the Iraqis were able to decide to bring the Americans over for a regime change there would have been democracy already.
“There were countless of Muslim-hating Americans who hailed him as a hero, most of the other ones tried to justify the event by just saying "Its a book". I'm sorry, its not my fault that your citizens are retards. Not a single american, with the exception of the few and smart ones, took into consideration the status of Islam or the Qur'an in Iraq, let alone Iraqi Culture and Arabic culture which itself is closely connected to Islam. Most tried to pass it just as an incident where some unimportant "holy book" worth crap was crushed. Same thing here, it was just a couple of shoes that flew against Bush, unfortunately they didn't hit him, but if I remember correct they hit the American flag, at least that's good ;)”
So what does that make you, what large group of people do you hate? Were there Americans marching through the street holding up bullet riddled Korans after the incident?
“It doesn't change the fact that we don't want you in our country, furthermore it just shows us ordinary citizens, despite disliking you guys, are peaceful when YOU are occupying our country, could the same be said about you? Apparently not considering that you bombed two countries into pieces for an incident were you merely just lost over 2000 people or something like that. Imagine what would happen if someone occupied you instead of just destroying two towers. Or wait, never mind, things like these won't go through your american brain until they really happen towards you. Maybe once you've lost someone from your family, or your wife if you're married due to interference from another country then you'll think twice about what you're saying.”
BS and you know it. Plenty of Americans were killed in earlier years. The fact is the “resistance” now sees their cause was worthless. Once they cooperated with the Americans, things got better. People know fighting the Americans won’t do any good, but that doesn’t stop them from talking big and throwing footwear.
And for all you know I HAVE lost family through this war, but of course you’d have no reason to believe me.
If my country was “occupied” by people who had permission to be there from an elected government and was fending off terrorist organizations, then yes I would welcome the occupation.
“Also, when the best rationale for Iraq any of you war supporters can come up with is "It was worse under Saddam" and you pretty much have to rely on events that happened over a decade ago as your only evidence you've set the bar of success quite low. If that is the best you'll do, then its just beyond me how you think all you've done, which btw still means shit to us 5 years later, is even worth the cost of Iraq (both in terms of money and innocent lives). Now Ef-off.”
Decades ago, under the SAME MAN that was overthrown. Meanwhile you try to justify yourself by bringing up things America did under DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS.
-Dennis
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/12/15/iraq-shoe-tosser-guy.html
jajaj
NIW,
When will you post again? I am really burnt on this subject.
“And? What's your point? That since some of those occurred five years ago they simply don't matter anymore? I could go back prior to the occupation, I could go back to the gulf war, the Iran-Iraq war, or back to the time when the CIA provided the Baathists with lists of members of the ICP.”
"No, my point is that I can make a more grizzly list of things the enemy did to the population in a single month than you can make for the Americans in five years. And yet you shrug off the enemies crimes, except as means to blame America."
What enemy are you talking about? Your enemy? Last time I checked no one define the enemy of Iraq except Iraqis themselves, maybe you're one of those self-arrogant Americans who think you can represent the view of Iraqis or think you can talk for them, like many of your ignorant countrymen, who five years later still say that we love you guys. The enemy to Iraqis are more then just one group. The first two primary groups being
1. Americans
2. Non-Americans who's purpose is only destruction or killings to reach their goals, that include Iraqis who do not take civlian causalities into consideration when killing the enemy.
Don't define our enemy for us. YOU are our enemy due to all interference and damage you've done to our country, due to the lives you've played around with, due to the people you've directly and indirectly killed a result of what you guys think is good for us. As for your so called ENEMY, which (in the American people's view) not only are the so called "terrorists" as you call them but almost the whole Iraqi population since most of us are opposed to the invasion, are enemies to us. None of you guys are different in any way. Both of you have killed to accomplish your goals, guess who's caught in the middle of all of it? That's right, its us, Iraqis. Our voice isn't even heard while you fucktards are arguing about WMDS that does not exist, how you must win in Iraq so you war-mongering savages might have a good image left bla bla bla typical retarded american statements.
Meanwhile we have bunch of fucks, both Iraqi and non-Iraqi groups who only think about ruling the country. Btw, the U.S have done far more damage throughout those 5 years compared to what the enemies have DONE since the occupation. The groups that kill never claimed their actions to be for the good of the people, that they did so to liberate the people, that they want to help people or anything alike. They outrightly admit being assholes through their actions and silence, you guys are more disgusting then them in the way that you are the same, except that you try to lie about it and try to justify it, pushing down your values and view on everyone's throat while anyone in disagreement is a terrorist, terrorist supporter or a terrorist sympathizers, whatever you define as terrorist these days. A man planting a bomb and killing people in a market won't say a word, he knows already he's a murderer, a barbarian, an asshole who just killed countless of harmless innocent people, he never speak of justifying his action, even when he does most Iraqis and most of the world are sane enough to realize that the guy is an asshole full of shit, who should be properly executed with ten time more pain inflicted upon him. Meanwhile when you Americans kill bunch of Iraqi women and children in an airstrike, raid, or by a tank you try to shrug it off as a conflict with a "suspected (aka innocent) terrorist". That's why you're more disgusting them then.
“Every single death in Iraq right now, wether it be done by an american soldier or by a foreign guy from a neighbhouring country or by an Iraqi, is a DIRECT RESULT of the invasion, every death is indirectly the fault of your nation, I know you want to believe that your nation is never wrong, but step into reality, every nation in this world have blood spread in its name. Americans are the only one who refuse to accept this fact. Just 147 huh? Well it was just some thousands who died in 9-11, not a big deal eh?”
"Yes, that’s nice. So the insurgents can be as savage as they want, and it will only make AMERICA look worse. That’s why they never have to worry about being cruel, because people like you say their cruelty should make their American enemies look bad.
Most Kurds think they are doing better than they were under Saddam because the Kurdish regions didn’t have an INSURGENCY."
This is a typical american rant. You Americans have this simple close-minded assumption were you think people love the "enemies" (whoever your enemies are, seems like the whole world) if they aren't on your side, its black & white for you guys. Not once did I glorify insurgents, be it suicide bombes or fighters who like to kill as they wish. The only ones I glorfiy are those who shoot at any non-Iraqi combatant and any Iraqi who's considered as a threat to the country or an Iraqi western dog. Let me make this simple for you: It means any Iraqi killing an American, a non-Iraqi from neighbhouring country, a Saddamist bent on hurting Iraqis or anyone kissing U.S arse 24/7 while benefitting through the suffer of his people should be made into a hero.
Most Kurds are also known to feel inferior to the U.S in the way that they lick your boots every time you step on their soil. Furthermore most Kurds have never contributed anything, or rather much at all to Iraq as a country except for themselves. The Kurds were also among the firt one to shoot at our soldiers back during the Iran-Iraq war. Do you know what their excuse was? Wanting to kill Saddam. Had they killed Saddam they would have made Iraq happy, too bad that they just targeted soldiers in the middle of a war with an enemy instead of Saddam and his men. Do you know what this mean? Exactly, the Kurds are traitors to their country as usual. Is this a surprise? No, because most Kurds in the North don't even consider themsleves to be Iraqis. Btw Kurds aren't natives to this land, they live on former Assyrian land. If they so much want to personally lick the ass of the United States and at the same time want their own state then they can do so as much as they want, in their own lands, so they can get the f*ck out of Iraq.
Kurds are known to be the first to accept any power occupying them. Maybe they think they are inferior to the stronger powers thus they need to be ruled by them. I don't know, try to ask them. While you're at it ask them why they worship a power that helped AND ignored the gassing of their people. See if they can give you an answer that makes sense.
Btw are you one of those guys who believe the Kurds are all innocent people just because they are allied with you and pro-U.S? Or just because they were victims under the regime of Hussein, some good but mostly bad reasons for that? Tell me.
One thing I'm aware of is that you don't seem to be aware of the relations between Kurdish leaders and Saddam in the past! But that's expected from an American, you never cared when Saddam was your best ally :)
“Btw you moronic shit, let me remind you that once the U.S invaded you guys fired around 400 000+ Iraqi military/police . Saddam basically had to keep over 500 000+ (more like 600 000-700 000) police/paramilitary for security to keep the country frm falling in chaos. Are you going to tell me that you didn't know this would bring nothing but havoc and chaos in the country? You didn't use your full military power, but you sure as hell caused the problems in Iraq with the intention of doing so.”
"“Moronic shit”? Are you an 8 year old with a very good grasp on the English language, or an incredibly immature middle aged man? Only Saddam’s staunchest supporters stayed in his army through the invasion (the rest deserted). Yes, I’m sure you’d be praising us if we used a dictator’s army to fight for democracy. No matter what we do, you’ll say it’s wrong, because its not right and wrong that matters to you, it’s bashing the US. On the other hand, I don’t think my nation has always been right. For example, I think it was wrong for the US to go along with the UN sanctions on Iraq."
I'm not talking about the invasion, I'm talking in general, prior to the invasion, when Saddam was the ruler of Iraq. Look at the numbers he had to keep to prevent Iraq from being unstable, look at the number the U.S fired after the invasion. Do you remember what your president said? He said he didn't know why you fired all the military and police. Brilliant guy you elected there...elected twice btw. But nah, it wasn't your intention at all to cause havoc and chaos, especially when its crystal clear that firing over 400 000 military/police would exactly bring that, never mind the shock&awe introduced at first. Nope, most of you Americans were just simply to stupid to figure out something a three year old boy in the middle of some fucking jungle somewhere in Asia could probably figure out.
"No matter what we do, you’ll say it’s wrong, because its not right and wrong that matters to you, it’s bashing the US. On the other hand, I don’t think my nation has always been right. For example, I think it was wrong for the US to go along with the UN sanctions on Iraq."
Not at all, there's some good action by the U.S in Iraq. I can point out positive things thanks to this war. Take the airport in Najaf as an example, this would have most likely not be done had it not been for the invasion. It doesn't however make up for the bad things, the bad outweight the good, furthermore its not worth the cost. And none of this would have happened had you not interferred with our country in the first place, you interferred, and the outcome was a clusterfuck. The same outcome happened to our neighbhour, Iran. You did the same thing there, interferred, and look at the result of it today. Also, we never asked for your help or asked you to come to our country. What would you do if someone kicked your door, forced himself in and imposed his will upon you? Would you sit down like a good dog and take his order? what if he's wearing a gun or pointing a gun at you? Would you call him a liberator (of something)?
“There you go, no value whatsoever put on Iraqi life, of course this doesn't affect you, since you don't live there let alone have any relatives over there at all. How long will you fight and justify your massacre? Until every single one of us Iraqis are dead, will you be only satisfied then? Will you be only satisfied when we are in the same situation as the native americans which your forefathers perfectly almost eliminated from the face of the earth. Is it in your blood to want war, killing and destruction constantly, not only in your own countries but in other countries, such as Iraq (monarchy, Saddam, Maliki etc.)? Because that's how it seems so far to me.”
"It doesn’t effect me!? We’re fighting the f*cking war while other countries take out the popcorn and throw an occasional jeer from the sidelines. I suppose I also take no value in the lives of those killed in World War II? Next time you have nothing clever to say, just don’t say anything."
A war? You call attacking a third-world country, with no defense whatsoever, with a military worth shit due to sanctions and two previous wars, to be a war? There was hardly any war. The military was dead, uneffective, not functioning properly, never mind that Iraq's elite units Nebuchadrezzar and Hammurabi got wiped out totally by U.S forces back in the Gulf War (of course that was by airstrikes, like the true cowards you were back then). Let me remind you that you killed and shot at Iraqi soldiers who also had surrendered back then.
You're facing a resistance now, foreigners make up a small fraction of those who've attacked you the past 2 years. Have you ever wondered why other countries didn't partipicate in the war? Because they knew it wasn't worth it, they knew you guys were lying, they knew nothing good would come out with it except death of people who've never hurt them or their nation. Why get yourself involved when so many risks are already involved? Its called being smart and civilized. That's why there was such wide protests against the war all around the world, even in the U.S, but then the widest support for the war as if it were the fucking Olympic games were to be found only in the U.S
“Nope not at all, after all it wasn't the U.S who caught Saddam and made sure he was hanged, after all it wasn't the U.S who invaded and occupied Iraq, after all it wasn't the U.S who said that they would leave Iraq as soon Maliki's government requested so yet came up with the SOFA to delay the withdrawal, even talking about not withdrawing at all. It wasn't the U.S government either who kept pressuring the Iraqi government to accept the SOFA, don't let me pick every instance where the U.S government have been interferring with Iraq. You guys already imposed your will on us when you overthrew Qasim's government. Does that fact hurt you? Oh, did I also forget to mention that you guys spied on Maliki? Seems you can't even trust your own dog.”
"BS and you know it. It was the US who made countless concessions on that SOFA, and the Iraqi Parliament signed the damn thing. If the US was able to pressure the Iraqi government at all it was because its presence was USEFUL. That’s our crime? Being useful? We’d have a much easier time coercing the Iraqi government into our agenda from across the atlantic, because while we’re in Iraq they can attack our bases."
The presence was useful? According to who? You guys? Do you live in the country? Is it your country? Are you natives of the country? Ever lived in Iraq before? The answer is no to all those questions. Maybe you should have checked what the Iraqis thought in general of the SOFA, which wasn't very positive at all (btw the western media did a fine job of not reporting much of the protest towards the sofa, even when it did report the protests it always failed to mention high christian and sunni figures who took part of the protests). Did you forget about operation "Lion Roar" which was all about oppressing nationalist voices in Mosul (and some other city/cities, I forgot which) in the name of "fighting Al-Qaida"? Now why would Maliki want to oppress nationalists unless there was someone pointing a gun at his head (not supposed to be taken literally)?
"And how the fuck does anyone get asked to bring democracy anywhere? If the Iraqis were able to decide to bring the Americans over for a regime change there would have been democracy already."
“There were countless of Muslim-hating Americans who hailed him as a hero, most of the other ones tried to justify the event by just saying "Its a book". I'm sorry, its not my fault that your citizens are retards. Not a single american, with the exception of the few and smart ones, took into consideration the status of Islam or the Qur'an in Iraq, let alone Iraqi Culture and Arabic culture which itself is closely connected to Islam. Most tried to pass it just as an incident where some unimportant "holy book" worth crap was crushed. Same thing here, it was just a couple of shoes that flew against Bush, unfortunately they didn't hit him, but if I remember correct they hit the American flag, at least that's good ;)”
"So what does that make you, what large group of people do you hate? Were there Americans marching through the street holding up bullet riddled Korans after the incident?"
You don't need to hold in the physical object to express your support or to shrugg of a serious incident.
“It doesn't change the fact that we don't want you in our country, furthermore it just shows us ordinary citizens, despite disliking you guys, are peaceful when YOU are occupying our country, could the same be said about you? Apparently not considering that you bombed two countries into pieces for an incident were you merely just lost over 2000 people or something like that. Imagine what would happen if someone occupied you instead of just destroying two towers. Or wait, never mind, things like these won't go through your american brain until they really happen towards you. Maybe once you've lost someone from your family, or your wife if you're married due to interference from another country then you'll think twice about what you're saying.”
BS and you know it. Plenty of Americans were killed in earlier years. The fact is the “resistance” now sees their cause was worthless. Once they cooperated with the Americans, things got better. People know fighting the Americans won’t do any good, but that doesn’t stop them from talking big and throwing footwear.
This is the very same resistance who were in bed with foreign terrorists, who also killed your soldiers, and who are also now being payed by you guys to stay silent. Those guys had one of the strongest resistance in Iraq. The people of Anbar, also known as the people of a-holes largely to the fact of past crimes they've commited on their country. They fit in with you guys.
"And for all you know I HAVE lost family through this war, but of course you’d have no reason to believe me."
Rightly so, nobody asked him/her to come to our country, if he/she was a soldier then the person rightly deserve it like the rest of the american soldiers. It is of no concern to me, go blame your own government who seem to consider your soldiers nothing more then cheap meat available for sacrifice.
"If my country was “occupied” by people who had permission to be there from an elected government and was fending off terrorist organizations, then yes I would welcome the occupation."
Elected government...this is why you are a joke. I could mention a bunch of shit that would make this elected government not so very-elected as you think but admittely STILL elected. Seems this "elected" government of yours, aka the puppet government failed to listen to the protests on the streets and failed to ask the people what they want. When an elected government can't even provide protection for people to the point that you have to depend on a militia to give you protection and safety then that's bad. I shit on the elected government. Fending off terrorist organizations? Sure it does, it just forgot the second one called the United States of America. Finally, a terrorist organization would be any organization in Iraq against the current Iraqi government, just like Saddam's regime! But I see that you failed to notice this. Maybe you don't wanna believe in the death squads either, given full support from the government too?
“Also, when the best rationale for Iraq any of you war supporters can come up with is "It was worse under Saddam" and you pretty much have to rely on events that happened over a decade ago as your only evidence you've set the bar of success quite low. If that is the best you'll do, then its just beyond me how you think all you've done, which btw still means shit to us 5 years later, is even worth the cost of Iraq (both in terms of money and innocent lives). Now Ef-off.”
"Decades ago, under the SAME MAN that was overthrown. Meanwhile you try to justify yourself by bringing up things America did under DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS.
-Dennis"
This is laughable, different administrations doesn't change the country, not the people and certainly NOT THE FACT THAT YOU ELECTED THEM! I don't chop America into pieces were some people belong to a certain regime, unless you want to tell me that you live under a dictatorship every action of U.S government that has hurt people across the world is directly the fault of the U.S citizens, not only are the government a representation of the people, but its elected BY the people. Nice try escaping this though. Now eat another burger and keep your mouth shout.
For those of you who are interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4UJK_iQNJM
Video of the shoe incident, and a version that the western media doesn't want to report. You can clearly hear the guy scream in the background while the pig Bush say a joke. So much for freedom huh?
The same freedom that was given to us when General Qasim and his party were overthrown, by the SAME nation.
Lagash - I understand your anger at having the U.S. occupy your country. There is no discussion anymore about WMD. All Americans know such weapons were not found and will never be found. I don't think we are still looking for WMD. Even though you have deep hatred for Americans, Americans do not hate Iraqis. You are dead wrong on that. Even if you would say you hate me because I am an American, I would say I am sorry you feel that way when you don't know me as a person. You could call me every derogatory name in the English language and I would still not say I hate you or call you the derogatory names you easily call us. The only people Americans generally dislike are people who are in our country illegally - illegal immigrants. They drain our society of jobs, health benefits, etc. The majority of Americans (and I would say most) do not hate Muslims. We have millions of muslims in this country practicing their religion freely. We have every religion known to man practiced in America. Religious differences would be the last reason on my list to hate someone. Most Americans are sorry that we are in Iraq. Most Americans are not sorry that Saddam is dead, however, but I am sure you could find some that are. I can only surmise that you do not really know any Americans personally. Or perhaps the ones you know are really awful people. I don't hate you or ANYBODY else for that matter. Most Americans do not hate other "groups" of people. We dislike individuals, not groups. I don't hate the Kurds or the Turks or the Greeks, or the Sunnis, or the Baathists, or the Shias, or the Jews, or the Protestants or Catholics, or Baptists, etc etc etc. I might however not care for someone who is a Jew, but not because they are Jewish or live in Israel. I might dislike someone because they individually treated me badly but never because they were of a certain race, religion, or sex. And if I did dislike one Jew, I would not say that I hate all Jews. How can you lump an entire country of people together (or culture) and say you hate them? It is beyond my belief system. If you were my friend I would advise you to get some serious therapy to work through your anger. If you lived here and were my neighbor, I would treat you the same way I treat all my neighbors - with respect. And if you were nasty to me, I would simply leave you alone and not bother you. I would hope you would do the same. If not, then we would have some problems. I think it is far sadder to me that you are not able to distinguish Governments (including your own) from individuals. I WANT OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN OUT OF IRAQ! I hope we can still agree on that... Enough said on this subject. M.A.
M.A, you'll have to excuse me, 5 years of tolerance is much, at some point people cross the line, and that's when you start to treat them the same way back, it might not be rational at all or the best way to express your own views, but that's emotions for you.
Furthermore not all of what I wrote was simply a rant of my grudge toward the U.S as a nation, you'll find fact in what I wrote, of course there's much more to what I wrote really, but I don't feel its neccesary to mention everything to prove my point.
Take care.
"What enemy are you talking about? Your enemy? Last time I checked no one define the enemy of Iraq except Iraqis themselves, maybe you're one of those self-arrogant Americans who think you can represent the view of Iraqis or think you can talk for them, like many of your ignorant countrymen, who five years later still say that we love you guys. The enemy to Iraqis are more then just one group. The first two primary groups being
1. Americans
2. Non-Americans who's purpose is only destruction or killings to reach their goals, that include Iraqis who do not take civlian causalities into consideration when killing the enemy.
Don't define our enemy for us. YOU are our enemy due to all interference and damage you've done to our country, due to the lives you've played around with, due to the people you've directly and indirectly killed a result of what you guys think is good for us. As for your so called ENEMY, which (in the American people's view) not only are the so called "terrorists" as you call them but almost the whole Iraqi population since most of us are opposed to the invasion, are enemies to us. None of you guys are different in any way. Both of you have killed to accomplish your goals, guess who's caught in the middle of all of it? That's right, its us, Iraqis. Our voice isn't even heard while you fucktards are arguing about WMDS that does not exist, how you must win in Iraq so you war-mongering savages might have a good image left bla bla bla typical retarded american statements.
Meanwhile we have bunch of fucks, both Iraqi and non-Iraqi groups who only think about ruling the country. Btw, the U.S have done far more damage throughout those 5 years compared to what the enemies have DONE since the occupation. The groups that kill never claimed their actions to be for the good of the people, that they did so to liberate the people, that they want to help people or anything alike. They outrightly admit being assholes through their actions and silence, you guys are more disgusting then them in the way that you are the same, except that you try to lie about it and try to justify it, pushing down your values and view on everyone's throat while anyone in disagreement is a terrorist, terrorist supporter or a terrorist sympathizers, whatever you define as terrorist these days. A man planting a bomb and killing people in a market won't say a word, he knows already he's a murderer, a barbarian, an asshole who just killed countless of harmless innocent people, he never speak of justifying his action, even when he does most Iraqis and most of the world are sane enough to realize that the guy is an asshole full of shit, who should be properly executed with ten time more pain inflicted upon him. Meanwhile when you Americans kill bunch of Iraqi women and children in an airstrike, raid, or by a tank you try to shrug it off as a conflict with a "suspected (aka innocent) terrorist". That's why you're more disgusting them then."
Uh...no. The enemy meaning people US forces would try to kill and capture. Why do you think Iraqi civillian deaths almost always trail US deaths? Because the less Americans have to worry about defending themselves from insurgents, the more time they can spend capturing terrorists.
SHRUG IT OFF!? Why not? Everyone else shrugs off the assholes you're talking about. They even try to help them by assisting them in getting US forces out of the country.
"This is a typical american rant. You Americans have this simple close-minded assumption were you think people love the "enemies" (whoever your enemies are, seems like the whole world) if they aren't on your side, its black & white for you guys. Not once did I glorify insurgents, be it suicide bombes or fighters who like to kill as they wish. The only ones I glorfiy are those who shoot at any non-Iraqi combatant and any Iraqi who's considered as a threat to the country or an Iraqi western dog. Let me make this simple for you: It means any Iraqi killing an American, a non-Iraqi from neighbhouring country, a Saddamist bent on hurting Iraqis or anyone kissing U.S arse 24/7 while benefitting through the suffer of his people should be made into a hero."
Great, now let me tell you that I don't want to glorify the Nazis, but I salute anyone who shot an Allied soldier in European theatre of World War II. I guess I'm not an Axis sympathizer, even though shooting Allied soldiers was very helpful to their agenda.
"You don't need to hold in the physical object to express your support or to shrugg of a serious incident."
Shrug off? He was removed from duty! Do you think that would have happened if he riddled a BIBLE full of bullets? I "shrugged off" (didn't bother to show my disapproval) a bank robbery in my town either. Why? Because the robbers were already caught and put in prison. What should I possibly yell about?
"You're facing a resistance now, foreigners make up a small fraction of those who've attacked you the past 2 years. Have you ever wondered why other countries didn't partipicate in the war? Because they knew it wasn't worth it, they knew you guys were lying, they knew nothing good would come out with it except death of people who've never hurt them or their nation. Why get yourself involved when so many risks are already involved? Its called being smart and civilized. That's why there was such wide protests against the war all around the world, even in the U.S, but then the widest support for the war as if it were the fucking Olympic games were to be found only in the U.S"
Uh, no, we WERE facing a resistance, but once that resistance got too sucessful in places like Anbar, some insurgents got too nervous about what would happen if their side won, so they switched sides. The first faction to switch sides was the 1920s Revolutionary Bridgade, and IT came to us.
"This is the very same resistance who were in bed with foreign terrorists, who also killed your soldiers, and who are also now being payed by you guys to stay silent. Those guys had one of the strongest resistance in Iraq. The people of Anbar, also known as the people of a-holes largely to the fact of past crimes they've commited on their country. They fit in with you guys. "
Yet you can't change the fact that the less people fight against the Americans, the better the country gets. There are less attacks since they sided with the US, that's the painful truth.
"Elected government...this is why you are a joke. I could mention a bunch of shit that would make this elected government not so very-elected as you think but admittely STILL elected. Seems this "elected" government of yours, aka the puppet government failed to listen to the protests on the streets and failed to ask the people what they want. When an elected government can't even provide protection for people to the point that you have to depend on a militia to give you protection and safety then that's bad. I shit on the elected government. Fending off terrorist organizations? Sure it does, it just forgot the second one called the United States of America. Finally, a terrorist organization would be any organization in Iraq against the current Iraqi government, just like Saddam's regime! But I see that you failed to notice this. Maybe you don't wanna believe in the death squads either, given full support from the government too?"
Again, no. Fending off terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda and other radicals who inevitably come into conflict the government. Does Basrah have more terrorists in it since the joint American/Iraqi military action in that city? Well I'd sure as hell call that fending off terrorists.
"This is laughable, different administrations doesn't change the country, not the people and certainly NOT THE FACT THAT YOU ELECTED THEM! I don't chop America into pieces were some people belong to a certain regime, unless you want to tell me that you live under a dictatorship every action of U.S government that has hurt people across the world is directly the fault of the U.S citizens, not only are the government a representation of the people, but its elected BY the people. Nice try escaping this though. Now eat another burger and keep your mouth shout."
Oh really, so wouldn't that make your "admittedly STILL elected" Iraqi government also the fault of Iraqi citizens?
And I guess you couldn't figure this out moron: The electorate is always evolving. Every year some people die and others turn 18, so it's a slighty different ground voting every four years, and a RADICALLY different group voting between now and the early years of Saddam's reign. I must be really prying your eyes opened if you feel threatened enough to tell me to shut my mouth.
-Dennis
Does my school essay sound like a White Southern Mass?
18 December 2008
Essay Questions.
Explain the three patterns of self-disclosure.
This is really interesting. The way in which the book explained interpersonal communication, the concept imitates a hurricane. Composite mechanical hierarchies create fluid sets of component structures. Our public image acknowledges our internal approval rating. Privately this assessment propels our self realization with effective actualization. Trust in the common Earthling makes sharing routine allowing self-disclosure. In turn reciprocal absorption cooperatively defines experience synchronous with available natures. When our surrounding nature continually promotes interactive self-disclosure we acknowledge and stabilize the relationship. Once the relationship is fully grown, self-disclosure drops off. Based on 3 different patterns of possible passive acquiescence we can adopt progress and map our submissive agreement.
Pattern 1, gradual increase in self-disclosing parallels the growth of the relationship until the relationship stabilizes. Newlyweds engage in pattern 1 most often because it is a constant build from an initial contract. The second pattern is characterized by low self-disclosure then a spike up before a leveling off of openness. For instance disclosure could be limited while a Patient recovers then increase after returning to a natural environment. The third pattern, sometimes referred to as “clicking” shows a high incidence of self disclosing almost immediately in the relationship. Sharing similar interests as well as histories help people, “click”. A Doctor and a Patient may, “click” if the self-disclosure confirms a preconceived resolution, such as child birth.
Sometimes illness can cause issues within the life of a relationship. A Doctor's diagnosis may not be in the best interest of the Patient or a child being born. For instance pain threshold and medication. A Cesarean Section could save a Mother and a Child but if the Mother is not given the correct pain medication she could die. Conceptualizing and preparing a pattern of self-disclosure mindful of the future birth can eliminate the pretense for failure. Complications can always be resolved with self-disclosure rather then brazen control.
Explain what convergence means and how it relates to interpersonal communication.
Geeks often tell of a great cataclysm. All the symbols on the Wall Street Stock Ticker will swallow one another up. There will be only one symbol. Housing will be comprised of force shielding. Heat alone will provide shelter, information and plumbing. These Microwave Igloos will be the place baby takes his or her first steps. Complex machine skills will be inherent and removed from the education system. On Earth we will feel we are part of the entire Universe.
Interpersonal communication utilizing imagination captivates and loves our children. Intelligence is limiting if the application of playtime cannot be grown as a necessary occupational component. Convergence integrates various technologies by reinventing the methodologies constructing those technologies. The companies doing this, “constructing” may already be living in “Microwave Igloos”. Successful technological components are proof of successful corporate communities. Just like successful children prove success in parenting. Obviously integrating children constructively demands application that is captivating. It is like plugging an entire Circus into a wall outlet.
Identifying and celebrating cutting edge imaginations loosely defines our human growth structure encouraging competition. Because the technology offers compulsion these devices become problem sets we eagerly solve. Engineering progressive familiars, we extend the corporate family. We may all run away and join the Circus. Just match the Tiger Phone with the Elephant calling card before going out in public.
I want some of what he is smoking.......
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I think "Mommie" could solve all the problems in the world... M.A.
I guess Lagash took off since he didn't respond overnight, so I won't be checking for his replies here anymore. I'm off too.
-Dennis
You can't even show your face to the Iraqi public because REAL Iraqis would be a threat to you. You are the Indian who kissed British ass during colonial times. You are the "Iraqi" who tows the pentagon propaganda. Or worse, you are that woman who gets paid to deliberately attempt to misdirect attention. I wouldn't be surprised if you are an ingredient in the crock pot cooked up at the pentagon. A disgusting concoction.
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/-quot-sock-and-awe-quot-pits-players-against-president/1274922
"Let me make this simple for you: It means any Iraqi killing an American, a non-Iraqi from neighbhouring country, a Saddamist bent on hurting Iraqis or anyone kissing U.S arse 24/7 while benefitting through the suffer of his people should be made into a hero."
So if you, an Iraqi, kill my children and neighbors, Americans, you expect to be a hero in your homeland. I have friends who were contractors and soldiers over there, doing their small part to hold that country together while it rebuilt, or rebuilding it themselves. None of them got rich at it. Not one. You would like them to be killed. By you. So you can be a hero.
I can't begin to express how deeply you disgust me.
I think he meant Americans directly contributing to the occupation of Iraq IN Iraq rather then normal Americans in the States. And I think he meant the same thing with foreigners from neighbhouring countries who've made their share of trouble in Iraq actually.
Frankly speaking..he's rightly justified in many of his views. The U.S have a history of interferring with Iraq, while Iraq had not even touched or threatened the U.S and the U.S have backstabbed Iraq countless of times AND each time normal Iraqi citizens would suffer from it, meanwhile the U.S and its people acted like if nothing ever happened. I don't see why he should trust your friends over there at all. Even if they are good it doesn't matter, fact is that they contribute to the war and occupation, like the rest of the soldiers and contractors. They contribute to the overall goal of the U.S, whatever that goal might be. As we already see that goal brought more destruction then what Saddam could do in five years with his army. The country was in a worse condition then what it was during the 90's, 80's and 70's. Let me just tell you that Iraq under Saddam's later years, especially during and after the Iran-Iraq war, was a LIVING hell.
If the role was reversed and you had Iraqi warplanes dropping bombs on your country and people, would you be grateful just because some Iraqi soldier decided to paint a new building? If one of your family members or friends died as a result of an Iraqi occupation, or died by the shotting of an Iraqi soldier, would you be grateful to the occupation because some foreign soldier somewhere on your soil repaired a road? You're comparing objects with human lifes and the living condition you brought thanks to the war, which hasn't improved much at all since the fall of Saddam.
Many Americans are quick to tell Iraqis to shut up and accept the occupation and be grateful to everything done (this is what I particulary refer to as the 'White man's arrogance') yet those same Americans would be the first ones to shoot any occupier on their soil the second they see them. Many Americans seem to forget that they were in a little similiar situation once when they were under British rule, yet so many forget this.
To many Americans, not all though, but to the many of them the world is black and white. Its either the 'us' or 'them' mentality.
Iraqis have all the right to not accept you, not like you, to want you dead IN THEIR COUNTRY, or to simply kick you out of their country.
Yes, after YEARS of helping Iraqis, spending MILLIONS of tax dollars on them, and shedding our own blood, we are repaid by the Iraqis via a shoe throwing at President Bush. Fuck Iraqis, and fuck Islam.
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