neurotic Iraqi wife
January 17, 2007
The Black Globe of Terror Award...
Another Bloody day yesterday. Innocent students going out from their university on their way home, then BOOM, body parts scattered everywhere. Just like that. It was only two days ago when I said to my colleagues how things have quietened down and maybe its two things, either the criminals have fled fearing for their lives from the "New Plan" or they are brewing for yet another bloodshed. And sure enough the latter was correct.
Bush said on 60 minutes and I quote ""We liberated that country from a tyrant," Bush said. "I think the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude."" Umm seriously??? That sentence infuriated me. The Iraqi people dont owe anything to anyone!!! NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH. The Iraqi people had a dream and that dream is no longer there. It has evaporated into thin air. Their dream was to have a good life, a safe life, a rich life. Their dream was to provide a good life for their children and their children's children. Their dream was to have a life, here, here in Iraq. But now they dream of another life. A life outside all this chaos, outside all this bloodshed. Their "Allah Kareem" and "Inshallah" is now rarely uttered. Even these words, these words of hope stopped having a meaning.
A week ago, an Iraqi guy joined our company. A young man in his early twenties. Very nice and dignified. Two days later, he was shot. His brother was shot too. He survived. the brother bled to death. Literally bled to death. The culprit? A sniper just outside the checkpoint. A sniper whose only fun in this world is to rob people's lives. Young people's lives. It reminds me so much of those Xbox or playstation games. But instead of having a specific target, your shots are random. Random shots. Random fatal shots.
The girl who came and told us of the news, broke down. "We couldnt save him, the bullet, the bullet hit the artery. We couldnt save him. He is gone. He died in our hands. We couldnt do anything.". She would describe what happened, then she would say "we couldnt save him" again and again and cry. My heart broke. Literally broke. I started crying too. And this is just one story. One story of thousands. So do you still think "the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude"??? And no Im not saying the Americans brought in the militias or the insurgency, Im saying they opened the doors to such low life criminals. They give them the chance. Be it intentionally or unintentionally.
One thing I also dont get is why advertise the security plans to the whole world? Word in the Iraqi street is that Muqtada told his followers, the ones high up in the hierarchy to leave to Syria or Iran. Until things calm down. I have also heard from people here, that some militia members are hiding their cache of weapons and moving down South. Hmmm, so basically everyone is gonna be gone. Then reappear once again when the offensive is over. Wowwww. Great planning, I must say.
Im having a hard time to decide who will get the Black Globe of Terror Award. Hmm, Many nominees to choose from, some are also dead right now(who I wont even mention, cuz theyre dead). Lets see...Saddam Loyalists, Muqtee (aka Muqtada), Mahdi Militia, Hakeem, Badr Brigade, Dhari, Sunni insurgents, Bin Laden, Iranian Govt, Syrian Govt, Afghanee fighters, bad coalition troops, Bush, Arab fighters or maybe the people that are financing all this bloodshed??? And the trophy goes to......Will leave it upto you to decide...Decide who really, really deserves the Award. The Black Globe of Terror Award...
Bush said on 60 minutes and I quote ""We liberated that country from a tyrant," Bush said. "I think the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude."" Umm seriously??? That sentence infuriated me. The Iraqi people dont owe anything to anyone!!! NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH. The Iraqi people had a dream and that dream is no longer there. It has evaporated into thin air. Their dream was to have a good life, a safe life, a rich life. Their dream was to provide a good life for their children and their children's children. Their dream was to have a life, here, here in Iraq. But now they dream of another life. A life outside all this chaos, outside all this bloodshed. Their "Allah Kareem" and "Inshallah" is now rarely uttered. Even these words, these words of hope stopped having a meaning.
A week ago, an Iraqi guy joined our company. A young man in his early twenties. Very nice and dignified. Two days later, he was shot. His brother was shot too. He survived. the brother bled to death. Literally bled to death. The culprit? A sniper just outside the checkpoint. A sniper whose only fun in this world is to rob people's lives. Young people's lives. It reminds me so much of those Xbox or playstation games. But instead of having a specific target, your shots are random. Random shots. Random fatal shots.
The girl who came and told us of the news, broke down. "We couldnt save him, the bullet, the bullet hit the artery. We couldnt save him. He is gone. He died in our hands. We couldnt do anything.". She would describe what happened, then she would say "we couldnt save him" again and again and cry. My heart broke. Literally broke. I started crying too. And this is just one story. One story of thousands. So do you still think "the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude"??? And no Im not saying the Americans brought in the militias or the insurgency, Im saying they opened the doors to such low life criminals. They give them the chance. Be it intentionally or unintentionally.
One thing I also dont get is why advertise the security plans to the whole world? Word in the Iraqi street is that Muqtada told his followers, the ones high up in the hierarchy to leave to Syria or Iran. Until things calm down. I have also heard from people here, that some militia members are hiding their cache of weapons and moving down South. Hmmm, so basically everyone is gonna be gone. Then reappear once again when the offensive is over. Wowwww. Great planning, I must say.
Im having a hard time to decide who will get the Black Globe of Terror Award. Hmm, Many nominees to choose from, some are also dead right now(who I wont even mention, cuz theyre dead). Lets see...Saddam Loyalists, Muqtee (aka Muqtada), Mahdi Militia, Hakeem, Badr Brigade, Dhari, Sunni insurgents, Bin Laden, Iranian Govt, Syrian Govt, Afghanee fighters, bad coalition troops, Bush, Arab fighters or maybe the people that are financing all this bloodshed??? And the trophy goes to......Will leave it upto you to decide...Decide who really, really deserves the Award. The Black Globe of Terror Award...
96 Comments:
I am new to your blog and I already found out how brave you and all Iraqi women are! May God bless you all. I know it seems that things are getting worse, but I believe the best will come for Iraqis and I pray for the day that Iraq and her people will be the role model of Middle East. We desperately need a great role model there...
I thought it was pretty well established that Bush is delusional. "heck of a job, Brownie" "mission accomplished""moving forward".
Delusional.
NIW:
The point of the surge is not to kill insurgents, but rather to protect the civilian population of Baghdad. This is part of the counter insurgency program of General Petraeus, the new US general in charge of the troops in Iraq. The idea is to supress the level of violence as much as possible so that moderates are empowered and the influence of the militants is curbed. If militants decide to leave and come back later after a political settlement has been reached and peace restored, then the theory is that, once peace is restored, the militants will lack sufficient support among the population to cause chaos again. I don't know if the theory is sound, but since the primary goal is to protect the civilian population, letting the insurgents leave without bloody urban fighting makes tactical sense.
Mark-In-Chi-Town
I am reading your blog sitting in San Francisco. Your reporting means alot to me. No pressure :-) but I rather get my news from you than from CNN.
Mark-In-Chi-Town
Mark how is Chi-Town?
"I don't know if the theory is sound, but since the primary goal is to protect the civilian population, letting the insurgents leave without bloody urban fighting makes tactical sense."
Then they come back and kill the people....
man ...I love Chi-Town
"Dreary" Country...
NIW, have you ever enlightened yourself to the roots of global domination? If you were able to muster up the courage and learn about how false-flag terrorism has influenced US forgein policy, would you re-think the actions you are taking? It seems you have not spent enough time educating yourself about the self inflicted wounds governments will create to achieve their goals. Be it 9/11, the London bombings, or the missionaries who earn their wealth off of violence in Iraq. You are a smart woman, but you also seem kind of blind to reality. If you understood that continued violence in Iraq profits the war industry, would you continue to play their game? Would you continue to work for those people?
I'm sorry to bring that up, but ignorance is part of the problem.
Please educate yourself.
"I'm sorry to bring that up, but ignorance is part of the problem.
Please educate yourself."
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Our great philosopher
Do you think you are not ignorant?
Do you think you have knowledge?
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يا زمال روح أتعلم شلون تتشطف وتعال أحجي هنا
شلون مطي
أي والله هذة شلون زمال كاعد يتفلسف براسنة
أوووووووووووووي قلب الجو من بارد ألى موت حر
حبيبتي عراقية مخبلة
شلونج عيني .....نشالة حبيبج بطل يعذبج ...كوليله ترة سعودة كلش زعلانة منك
ليش هيجي يسوي ويتركج بوحدج
أكولج خاف عنده غير وحدة
والله يسوها الرياجيل كلهم خاينين
أأوووففف منهم أأوووففف
NIW,
Would you care to translate the above comments for those of us, who only know how to read English?
IF You wrote this:
"I'm sorry to bring that up, but ignorance is part of the problem.
Please educate yourself." 11:28 AM
and you want NIW to translate the above for you
Then I tell you this: I'm sorry to bring that up, but ignorance is part of the problem. Please educate yourself and learn a new language.
"have you ever enlightened yourself"
"If you were able to muster up the courage and learn"
"It seems you have not spent enough time educating yourself"
"but you also seem kind of blind to reality"
____________________________________
Our great philosopher
Are you enlightened?
Are you educated?
Do you think you are not ignorant?
Do you think you have knowledge?
Do you think you know the truth?
____________________________________
Well if you know so much why you don't enlighten us the ignorant, because we like to learn from your wisdom
bastard! by saying this crap bush is again reaffirming his arrogance/ignorance lethal cocktail!
how can iraq move forward with such leadership from such occupiers!
Emperor George the Idiot!
I read yesterday on Gulf News that Bush had the nerve the criticise Saddam's hanging. Bloody hell, the Bush admin should be the last people to say anything.. after all it was the Oval Office that said the execution was pure iraqi and nothing to do with America.
I would personally think that they should have shot him like they did with his sons on capture.. not drag on with things. now if you want justice then you need to listen to all the cases against him, and not execute him after the first one and make a martyr out of a murderer.
ps: i think anonymous commenting should be disabled.. especially coz it attracts such stupid people to comment behind this annoying veil.
if you wanna say something sharp, then at least say it with a name like a normal person would.
ps: i think anonymous commenting should be disabled.. especially coz it attracts such stupid people to comment behind this annoying veil.
if you wanna say something sharp, then at least say it with a name like a normal person would.
Ohhhh, I just read through your blog and comments, everyone seems quite heated up. Why dont we all just take a chill pill and relax? We can keep raving on and on but nothing will change. This is the middle east - build and bridge and get over it. There will always be violence driven by greed and power. This is the problem. If the Iraqi people were content and thankful for what they have, there would be no violence. However, power over oil is the cost of blood. NIW, have you packed your things for your holiday?
Never read this blog before. Will do so again. I hope you stay safe and that you are with your husband again soon.
I was reading my Sunday newspaper here in San Francisco and I read about your blog. More Americans should read how it is for the people of Iraq. Neurotic I admire you for expressing your difficulties and fears with a sense of humor. I'm opposed to this horrible war and I hope the people of Iraq are able to establish a just stability.
Wow, I'm so glad I found this. As an American (which at this point I very much wish i weren't, but you can't choose) I'm at a loss about what to say--I can't believe even 30% of my fellow-citizens still approve of him and his murderous policies.
Also, re a previous post, I make it a policy to mistrust anyone who addresses me with the question, "Have you ever been enlightened as to. . . ?"
citing :
truth-about-iraqis
Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes: "We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"
US Secretary of State Madeline Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."
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حبيبي أبو جاسم ليش هيجي زعلان
والله ما تسوا طول باك عيوني
Truly wonderful blog... would like to talk to you about featuring your blog on our site, keepmedia.com and also about editing news of Iraq....
Please contact me, Mark MacNamara (San Francisco) macnamband@mac.com
the award goes to bush,with an honorary mention to his father.the apple doesnt fall far from the tree
in that family.
It is sort of difficult to not let the worst elements know of the plans for an offensive when your partner in the operation is lying next to the enemy. I would bet Sadr knew of the plan long before it became public.
Yes, the death of university students is horrible, but no more horrible than the death of US soldiers, some of whom, like my own daughter, left university to serve her country's military. Not in her country, but in the country of the unviersity students for which we express outrage. My own feeling is that universities should not be the number one priority of young Iraqis--- they should be serving and demanding excellence from their own military, then reap the benefits of their own sacrifice instead of the sacrifice of young Americans they dismiss as an annoyance. Iraqis are not victims of anyone but themselves borne from an estrangement with responsibility for their own leaders actions. I ahve never understood why we did not blame the Iraqi people for Saddam, tehn present a helping hand. We have been far too apologetic and enablers of the immaturity of the Iraqi people. Speaking in broad generalities, or course, as I am aware of many exceptions among the Iraqi people.
Dear Neurotic,
I've been reading your blog for the past two months, and I must say that it is as unique as the person behind it.
It is extremely sad to see thousands of Iraqi's lives taken every year.. There's a lot of people to blame, but who cares who to blame! Would it really matter? What would happen if all the criminals, terrorists, and corrupts stood up and revealed all the trash they have.. Would anyone prosecute them? Is there any trusted entity in this world anymore?
Bas ya neurotic.. Allah is there for all of us, someday all Iraqis will wake up hearing nothing but singing birds and laughs of little children.
ahlan ya s3ooda um al taqs
elli sayer fil 3iraq yiza3ellna kulna
wo ana ma arda billi yseer fil 3alam el 3arabi.. amreeka yaalsa tfarriq akthar wo akthar beyn el naas fil 3iraq wo kul dawla..
farajak ya rab.
حبيبي أبوا جاسم .. لاتزعل قلبي أنت
اليوم الطقصصصصصصصصصصص أنشالله حلو يا حلوين ... حبيبتكم سعودة أم الطقص
حبيبتي مخبلة...وينج؟؟؟ ..والله أشتقنالج
أختج سعودة أم الطقص
Maybe I should lay claim to part of that BGT award because of ingnorance. In a search for answers, all I come up with is a few answers, and more questions. I had to support Pres. Bush, because I listened to what the alternatives had to say, and heard nothing. I support our troops because I know what's behind the uniform. I support Iraqi freedom, because people are people, no matter where they're from. I know I'm more ingnorant than wise, because wisdom comes from understanding, and that's a lifetime of work.
Dear Solo you say:
"Maybe I should lay claim to part of that BGT award because of ingnorance. In a search for answers, all I come up with is a few answers, and more questions."
I agree with you...
I am ignorant as well.
also you Say..
"I had to support Pres. Bush, because I listened to what the alternatives had to say, and heard nothing."
Let us test your argument...
You listened to what the alternatives had to say, and heard nothing. Therefore you support Pres. Bush.
Well if others are wrong, this doesn't mean that Pres. Bush is RIGHT
They might be all wrong
You have to take each argument and test it...and not taking a decision because you didn't like other opinions.
also you Say..
"I support our troops because I know what's behind the uniform. I support Iraqi freedom, because people are people, no matter where they're from."
Well can you be kind to tell us what is behind the uniform?
Also can you explain what you mean by Iraqi freedom?
How do you define Freadom?
Freadom of what?
and how to get Freadom (what actions)?
Do you want to see Iraq my friend
So you have clear idea when make
a decision.
Copy and paste this link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=-3519855663545752103&q=
iraq&hl=en
سعودة أم الطقص
dammek 5afeef :)
min wein jeeti inti? lol bas lil asaf mu3tham el naas ma ra7 yifhamo shee.
sho ma3nat ismek?
+
hal saar lee el sharaf bi ma3riftek?
عيوني أنت يا أبو جاسم الورد
أني طلعت برمضان على الشرقية
نسيتني يا أبو جاسم
حتى البزون أحسن مني
خالة يا أم علي لطمي وهلهلي
ها شبيك أبو جاسم أني سعودة أم الطقص
أوووووووووووي
Pres. Bush: I listened to the candidates. Much flip-flopping on the Democrates side, and lack of plans(pre 9/11). Americans tradionally don't vote for emotional candidates.They might all be wrong? Who is always right? There is a saying that politicians, like babies, must be changed often for much the same reason. Behind the uniform: human beings, just like all of us, wanting to make a difference. Freedom: The ability to make choices, of religion, of politics, of morals. Cannot be given, has to be fought for. Personally, freedom to me is to live my life the way I want without infringing on the rights of others.. I work with people from many countries, including Iraq and Afghanistan, and I listen to their stories. That's why they're here. They came from places where freedom is nonexistant. Thank you for the link. I follow Iraq every day through many sources, but always willing to learn more.
You are very wrong anon 7:25
American soldiers crossed oceans with the intention of invading a land, killing innocent people like Abeer and making fun of others like in Abu Ghreeb and bombing our mosques like everywhere in Iraq.
While those innocent students were only trying to build their country, build what your daughters and her friends are destroying.
There is a huge gap between your daughter and our students
loool.. sam7eeeeni wallah mub qased
ana baseet wo thakirti 3al akheer
sam7eeni walla bas inti meen
ana k3eet a3raf sho ma3na البزون
Dear Solo many thanks for your reply........
You say....
"Behind the uniform: human beings, just like all of us, wanting to make a difference."
Solo, can you tell me please.....
What are the tools of these human beings use to make a difference?
What do they use to do there job?
What is the use of these tools?
example: a microwave is used to heat food.
What is the outcome of using these tools?
example: when a microwave is used to heat food the food gets hot.
You also say,
"I work with people from many countries, including Iraq and Afghanistan, and I listen to their stories. That's why they're here. They came from places where freedom is nonexistant."
I can understand from the above that they come to your place, because your place is free ( In your definition: The ability to make choices, of religion, of politics, of morals) and they don't have any freedom back home?
RIGHT......?
How did you get this freedom?
Did YOU fight for it or your country was invaded by another country to bring you this freedom?
Is freedom something imposed on a society?
let me make it clearer..
If a society chooses to live in a certain model (in your definition not free model), do you have the right to invade and kill them and impose your model of freedom?
If these people (Iraqis and Afghanistan) prefer your model of freedom (Freedom according to your definition and understanding).... they are enjoying it in your place.
Are they the majority in their society, to give you an idea what the people want in that indigenous society?
حبيبي أبو جاسم
شلونك عيوني
والله أموت عليك
هاي وين حبيبتي مخبلة....
والله مشتاقتلها كلش هواية
ya um al 6aqs... shloonech?
i think u got the wrong fellow.. but ur words are flattering nevertheless :)
wein mudawentech?
عيوني أبو جاسم
أني مرءة فقيرة..........
ما عندي لا مدونة ولا صخام
"miraj said...
You are very wrong anon 7:25
American soldiers crossed oceans with the intention of invading a land, killing innocent people like Abeer and making fun of others like in Abu Ghreeb and bombing our mosques like everywhere in Iraq."
Miraj
Do you really wish for the world to paint a judgemental picture of you because of the deeds of a few Iraqis?
Maybe you would....Lovely this is what the world needs....to see ALL IRAQI's as the murders and thugs killing innocent people just because they are not the same sect.
If you wish to...then accept it I guess and let the world view you the same light as the bomber at the University or that radical Muslims represent all Muslims...for that is all you are doing with your judgement.
Judge as you wish to be judged
Maybe when the world and people begin to judge others as individuals and that their individual actions represent only themselves, the world may be a better place.
Paul,
It is quite interesting that people arise when WE (Muslims or Iraqis or the low grade of human beings on earth or whatever we’ve been named or considered to be) generalize but no one stand against those who generalize against Muslims and Iraqis. No matter what we do, the whole world will still generalize when it comes to us.
However, I do not need to generalize when it comes to the American Soldiers. They are doing it themselves by treating us like animals. I have not seen one good deed by one single American solider I’m sure that there are many good Americans out there and I’m glad I met few great Americans on my own blog but the ones Bush have sent to us are not doing a great job showing the good face of America.
Today, a relative’s house was raided by Americans. My young relative was threatened by death from one of the soldiers , 5000 Iraqi Dinar was stolen (about $4) and then our Quran was thrown on the ground. My relatives were not criminals; they are doctors and engineers and never hurt any body.
Don’t tell me to generalize but ask your fellows not to.
Hello Paul...
Can you be kind to allow me to examine your claim..
You Say "Judge as you wish to be judged. Maybe when the world and people begin to judge others as individuals and that their individual actions represent only themselves, the world may be a better place."
I think you mean here that generalisation is wrong.
We should examine each person action individually.
Because you say "Maybe when the world and people begin to judge others as individuals and that their individual actions represent only themselves, the world may be a better place."
Is that what you mean?
That is right when we examine the behaviour of individuals in a society.
But how can we examine a Society behaviour toward another Society, do we need to change our prospective?
To make my idea clearer?
On a Macro- level
If State (A) attacks and occupies State (B)
Will we examine (or judge) the behaviour and opinion of individual people in state (A) or we examine (or judge) the collective aggressive behaviour of State (A)?
ahh.. ya lal asaf! ya lal 5asara...
bab el sadeeq, byoosa3 fareeq
ahlan wa sahlan :)
Walla ya um 6a8e9, i take it as it's ok to nchaffu9 ba66en state B and call them all terrorists, Sunni Bathists, Shia killers,...etc but it is e7em e7em generalization when we la sama7 Allah njeeb 6ari state A.
Everything state A does should be considered as individual act especially of those who killed Abber and those who were with killing Abeer after raping her(for example this is mere individual act (http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=1140), the ones who kill Iraqis everyday justifying it that they were terrorists (year right!!!). Also if you by accident were reading a piece of news on yahoo and clicked on the comments section and saw the 98974748494949 comments against Muslims and Iraqis , please know that those 98974748494949 are only individual acts.
ya um al taqs.. shoo weinha sa7ebtek "al zawja al iraqiya" ?
Dear Paul...
Even when you look at it from a Micro-Level prospective we can see a very dark picture of individuals behaviour in wars...
The individuals behaviour can be very civil in his own country, but the same individual will act in a very brutal and savage actions when he is fighting. Because his prospective of the other is different.
To explain my idea I will give this example:
Let us suppose (hypothetically) ... that you are a soldier in army (A) and I am a soldier in army (B)
I am sure that your behaviour are very humane with your friend, fellow citizens and family.
and I can assure you that my behaviour is the same as yours with my friend, fellow citizens and family.
But now we are put in a situation where:
Army (A) is at war with Army (B)
Then you as a soldier in Army (A) will see me as a (THING) that need to be destroyed (Dehumanize me) and I in Army (B) will do the same and see you as a (THING) that need to be destroyed (Dehumanize you).........
That is the evil of war my friend.
هلو حبيبتي مراج ..شلونج عيوني..
والله صديقتي وحبيبتي عراقية تزوجة وتخبلة ما جتي لهنا اليوم ..والله كلش مشتاقتلها
Sorry I can't type your name : ) What tools do our troops use? Weapons of course. They also use medicine, building materials,food ,clothing, school supplies. What is the outcome? Germany and Japan are two examples. Two countries that chose to try to build empires by takeover of other countries. We fought, won, and rebuilt. Now explain to me what Saddam offered his people, and al Sadr, and Osama bin Laden? What are their tools and what was their outcome? Given the choice, would you prefer democracy, communism, or Sharia law? Freedom is not imposed on a society, it is chosen by that society. Did the Taliban impose? Did the communists? My friend Omar went to jail in Afghanistan for listening to a radio when the Russians were in control. Here he can disagree with the government without fear being thrown in prison for it. Cirro, a Cuban was sentenced to 30 years in prison for refusing to embrace communism and join the Cuban military. under democracy he is free to pursue the kind of life he wants. He's an artist and musician. Muzjkhan(sp) an Afghan girl I work with goes to the university. She's got a mind of her own and I'd be proud to have a daughter like her. Where would she be under Taliban rule? Freedom is defined by society not by an individual. If a country that is not free, by my definition, attacks other countries, what should happen? In any country if the question was asked of people, "Would you rather have the freedom of choice, or have all the decisions made for you", what do do think the most popular answer would be?
Dear Solo,
Many thanks for your reply..
So you say "What tools do our troops use? Weapons of course. They also use medicine, building materials,food ,clothing, school supplies."
What are weapons used for? are they used for killing human beings? I mean in mechanical (Usage) function
You might argue ...yes they are to kill bad people..that is another issue to discuss.. who is bad and who is good
because different people have different opinions when they decide about this issue..
"What is the outcome? Germany and Japan are two examples. Two countries that chose to try to build empires by takeover of other countries."
You think that you rebuild Germany and Japan!!! after you totally destroyed them and used nuclear weapons in Japans case.
What about Vietnam? why didn't you build it!!!!
"Now explain to me what Saddam offered his people, and al Sadr, and Osama bin Laden? What are their tools and what was their outcome? Given the choice, would you prefer democracy, communism, or Sharia law? Freedom is not imposed on a society, it is chosen by that society."
If you think that freedom is not imposed on a society, it is chosen by that society.
Then why you don't mind your own business and leave the people choose what they want (Freely)..If they want Saddam then let them enjoy him, if they want Communism let them enjoy it...
Who gave you the right to impose you opinion on others....!!!
Why do you think you have the truth..!! who gave you this right!!!
You say ....
"Omar went to jail in Afghanistan for listening to a radio when the Russians were in control. Here he can disagree with the government without fear being thrown in prison for it. Cirro, a Cuban was sentenced to 30 years in prison for refusing to embrace communism and join the Cuban military. under democracy he is free to pursue the kind of life he wants. He's an artist and musician. Muzjkhan(sp) an Afghan girl I work with goes to the university. She's got a mind of her own and I'd be proud to have a daughter like her. Where would she be under Taliban rule? Freedom is defined by society not by an individual. If a country that is not free, by my definition, attacks other countries, what should happen? In any country if the question was asked of people, "Would you rather have the freedom of choice, or have all the decisions made for you", what do do think the most popular answer would be?"
My answer is Charity Starts at Home>>>> Clean your streets from drug dealers and prostitutes, stop the killers, muggers and thieves in your streets.Educate you police to respect human beings (Specially blacks), Improve the situation in you prisons, Improve your schools, Improve you medical health system. Find home for those homeless living on the streets.....Pay your 8.6 Trillion dollars national debt!!!
My friend then come to us and claim that you come from a great society :)
If people have the illusion that they are free...It doesn't mean they are free.
So are you saying the Iraqi people are not worth giving a damn about?
Dear Solo
No that is not what I meant my friend...
I don't decide what I Iraqis want...they need to decide for themselves what is good for them. If they want Democracy (Athenian style) then they have to do it, if they want Democracy (Roman style), they want Communism, Dictatorship, or whatever they think it is right for them ....then they do it themselves. What I am saying, it is wrong to impose a model on society and claim that this system is the right system and will fit them. The change must come internal and not external, from the population within and not imposed by force. If you impose a model on a society that is not prepared for it or want this system (model) then you will cause a big disaster like the current disaster in Iraq.
That is what I meant my dearest friend.
You're right that they may not be ready for democracy. After so many years under Saddams rule, change is difficult, and will take much time, no matter what the Iraqis decide to do. Neither should terrorism be imposed upon them, or the rule of one sect over another, especially the kind al Qaeda wishes to impose over all Arab states. I hope the Iraqis do find a path that is good for them. I believe they're pretty good folks. It's been good talking to you my friend, but we'd better give N.I.W. her blog back before she imposes on us with a real big stick. : )
miraj--- My daughter and the vast majority of US soldiers came to Iraq to serve the interests of her country. It is pretty obvious that the interest of her country was not to destroy and kill the nation of Iraq. Had that been her country's intent, I daresay there would not be self indulgent Iraqis attending universities and self pitying Iraqis blaming them for their own culture's deficiencies. They would be engaged in a daily struggle to get food and water, or they would be dead. Your argument, versions of which I have read often in the writings or Iraqis, betrays the lack of rational thought that seems to prevail among many Iraqis and is the source of many of their abject failures as a would be nation.
It is pretty obvious that the interest of her country was not to destroy and kill the nation of Iraq. Had that been her country's intent
Again i disagree with you. Your problem is that you think you know everything from your media while the fact is you don't listen but to your media which reflects one side. Try to open up a bit and take more opinions in consideration. I am not here to waste time over useless conversations but since your stupid government actions did not leave me with much more choices I do not have but the net to try and let the world what is really going on here. I do not feel sorry for your daughter for her wrong decision but I feel sorry for our students who were killed because of your government. Do not tell me Iraqis are killing Iraqis, old news and again you are the one reason why we have killers all over the country.
Ever wondered why Iraq never witnessed such killing and bombing before? No? Got it!
Um 6a8es tislameen ya warda. 3eni asfa ma3andi keyboard 3arabi walla.
I am worried abt our NIW too!
Anonymous, from an old biker, please extend my thanks to your daughter for her service. I have a niece and nephew in the Air Force.
um el 6aqs,
ahlan wa sahlan.. tfadalli..
shay? gahwa?
weinech sakta? inshalla 7assalti NIW... 3asa ma sharr...
7ayyaki
Anonymous 7:44 PM
Sweetheart,
What will be your feeling if a foreign state occupies your country, kills your people, rape you daughter (and record it on tape) and sugar coated with the slogan (Freedom ..!!) ?
What will be your feelings toward such dogmatist barbarians?
Anonymous 7:44 PM
Look at pages from 77 to 81 and read
Iraqi Freedom Comments
http://www.undermars.com
Thank you for this Freedom
Great Pictures
Many thanks
Thank you biker-- my daughter is in the middle of her second year, currently busy providing medical coverage to convoys.
Miraj--- When Iraqis go off on this rant about how Iraq was such a wonderful utopia of peace loving humanitarians until the US invaded and screwed it up for everbody, it demonstrates my point very well. An ivasion removing a despotic government in power did not miraculously transform a substantial number of those under its rule into tribalistic, radical, criminal animals bent on dominating their fellow citizens who are only too willing to submit as a way of life. I submit they were already that and only lacked the freedom of expression outside of their former system of government and the exposure provided by a 'free' media to see themselves as they are. Your country has been a bad actor for decades. I know many of you love to portray yourselves as 'innocent' victims of a tyrannical government, but I think you bear responsibility for what your government did and deserve your fate. At least as much as the Japanese and Germans deserved their period of penance. On an individual level, that is terribly harsh and unfair, but so what? Do Iraqis read history? I think we do Iraq a disfavor by absolving them of resposnsibility and never really defeating them the way an enemy must be defeated. Avoidance of responsibility is the one thing in which they seem unified and excel as a nation, if we take the Kurds out of the equation. I know the Kurds would like that, but geography can be cruel that way.
Asking an American to put themselves in the place of an Iraqi is ridiculous. We do not and would not live under a tyranny and it would never oocur to us to blame those who would liberate us if we ever fell into such disgrace we would need such help. At least, that is the way this dogmatic barbarian sees things.
It is great thing that you say
"At least, that is the way this dogmatic barbarian sees things."
It is good and great to know yourself.
Many Thanks
You Say........
"Asking an American to put themselves in the place of an Iraqi is ridiculous. We do not and would not live under a tyranny and it would never oocur to us to blame those who would liberate us if we ever fell into such disgrace we would need such help. At least, that is the way this dogmatic barbarian sees things."
Sweetheart, I didn't tell you to put yourself in the place of an Iraqi (It seems difficult for you) . If you read what I asked you....
"What will be your feeling if a foreign state occupies your country, kills your people, rape you daughter (and record it on tape) and sugar coated with the slogan (Freedom ..!!) ?
What will be your feelings toward such dogmatist barbarians?"
That is a hypothetical question!!...any country ... we can call it any thing example (X)...or...(Cocoland)...... a country that is stronger (in military terms) than your country... occupies your country...you could be a citizen of a country called (Y).. or (whatever you like), kills your people, rape you daughter (and record it on videotape) and sugar coated with the slogan (Freedom ..!!) ...I asked you about your feelings in such hypothetical situation!!..?? is my question that difficult!!
"When Iraqis go off on this rant about how Iraq was such a wonderful utopia of peace loving humanitarians until the US invaded and screwed it up for everbody, it demonstrates my point very well."
Sorry ...Iraqis rant about how Iraq was such a wonderful utopia!!!
Who is ranting the utopia of his Freedom!!!! Occupying other countries!! Killing!! Raping!! to spread his utopia of freedom!!
Hi, spirited conversation, yeah!
I have no preferences, Bush goes, Bush stays , it's all the same Bullcrap, The Shiites, the Sunnis,
the killing goes on, here there everywhere. It's every person for himself, the law of the jungle.
Nothing changes, we have the law of the jungle too, it's just a different jungle, but the animals are the same.
Cyberray...I agree...100%
You are a star*
"I think we do Iraq a disfavor by absolving them of resposnsibility and never really defeating them the way an enemy must be defeated."
How do you want to really defeating them the way an enemy must be defeated???
Maybe...More Killing and Raping!!!
NIW,
Long time reader and fan. I can't help but notice that ever since you did your San Fransico Pod Cast (which was great BTW) you've had A LOT of strange comments. Who are these people?
K
Wow NIW. You have become very popular all of a sudden. Hope HUBBY doesn't get jealous with all this attention. :)
Jan 22 Two bombs 88 killed, that tops the 65 last week, Alla uno, Alla Dos, Alla Tres do we hear 100 !
by the way I was wondering, Why isn't the United Nations sending in troops to protect Iraqis ? Why aren't Arabs nations sending in troops to protect their arab brethen ? Am I alone in feeling outrage ? Where is the world outrage at this barbarity, Can you imajine if a Western Nation had purposely killed 88 innocent women and children at a market ? There would be demostrations in every EU and Arab Capital. Why not here, are Iraqis lives not worth as much in arabs eyes, where are the demostrations to stop the carnage, where are the brave arabs to protect Iraqi women and children, I don't understand the silence.
Please don't hate all Americans because of Bush. Bush is going against his own country. We don't want anymore bloodshed for you or our troops. This has all been a horrible injustice and I'm embarrassed and horrified at f'n Bush. He needs to be impeached or...
We can't go to another country and force on them what we think is how they should live. We morally do not, should not have that right. Everyone should fight for their own country, for the life they want. Not what we think or what Bush thinks is how they should live. Period.
Dear
" Anonymous said...5:48 PM 6:02 PM"
Many thanks ..
We Iraqis don't hate Americans.. They are humans like us ..We respect their humanity ... We want them to treat us in the same manner....Period.
Many thanks for your comments..
To the mother of the female soldier, this is why I can't trust you: http://palestineandiraq.blogspot.com/2007/01/soldier-confesses-to-gang-rape-of-iraqi.html.
This link was sent to me by a dear American friend who wants the truth to prevail.
Wow, I was overwhelmed by the emails/comments. I dunno where to start,anon 548pm, Iraqis dont hate Americans, Iraqis if I may generalise and say hate American policies towards the Iraqis. Especially the way Bush keeps saying we have to be grateful. Thing is, we would have been grateful if everything was honky dory, but thats not the case. Things have become worse. And no I dont blame American troops for everything, I also blame the Iraqi govt for being such a selfish corrupt body that cares nothing for its people.
Miraj, we shouldnt hate all the troops, I have met many, and some were really genuine. Put yourself in their shoes, they were told to go to war by their own govt, whether they blv in the cause or not, they did cuz its the oath they have taken. So we cant blame them all Miraj. Yes some have committed atrocities, and I know of families who were mistreated by them.Mistreated in a bad bad way. Girls were raped, people were killed, yes. Bes no, not all are like that. Just like us Iraqis, Iraqis are not all like what people see on TV, we are not like the militias or insurgents. We are not backward people, we are all very educated and well bred. We dont want war, we want a peaceful Iraq. So you see, generalization is no good here. What abt the time mal Kuwait, moo saddam oo atba3a raped Kuwaiti women??? Didnt they kill and kidnap Kuwiaties??Does that mean all the Iraqis are like that??? No.adree dammich dayfoor, wallah adree, bes moo kulhum heechee..
Sa3ooda, agool ishwakit gulabit imraya??? Lol. And btw, neurotic is not imkhabla,looooool. Neurotic I think in arabic means 3a9abiya, not sure.
Buj, Sa3ooda is a character from a tv series, not sure if you watched it in Ramadhan. And I dunno Sa3ooda personally, its his/her first time on my blog. And she/he is most welcome
Zappy, yeah dreary, Im in the Emirates right now, and its Dreary, 3abalee 7ashoof shamis, kulha imghayma oo mu66ar, but atleast no helicopters, no mortars. Allah isa3id il 3ira8ieen, wallah.
Intrigued male, Im already in my vacation, and umm havent unpacked for 5 days now!!! Im just relaxing, doing nothing at all...We decided to go to India, wanna join us???
K, lol, maybe I should do interviews incognito. Infact Im kinda enjoying the conversations here, you see many point of views, and I can relate to all of them. I cant blame anyone for their judgement, everyone has their own opinion and the justification behind it.
Kathy, Umm, he has noooooo clue.
Andre, Thanx Im extremely flattered.I never thought I would ever compete with the CNN ;-)
Solo, yeah, you know, although Im enjoying all the conversations, I kinda got lost, and was thinking I may have to start moderating comments.
Gregory, they read the blogs, and then what? Do you think we are making a difference?
Miraj,
This link was sent to me by a dear American friend who wants the truth to prevail.
If your dear American friend wanted the truth to prevail, he wouldn't have sent you a link to a video of an unknown person making completely unverifiable claims. That's even worse than the guy who was all over TV last year claiming he was an Army Ranger in Iraq and all the war crimes he had committed, and then he turned out he was never even in Iraq at all.
What kind of "truth" is that?
NIW.. ya hala.. so that's what sa3ooda um al taqs means? nice..
well i'm not a tv viewer so we learn something new everyday :)
she's very welcome and entertaining me thinks!
PC, the truth is what we know. You think as an Iraqi living in Iraq my whole life that I do not know what your soldiers are doing to Iraqi prisoners. Pleaseee try something else ok. This kind of CIA or FBI investigation do not work here. If we are in a court you win but there are people who are open minded enough to know what is going on under the table.. If you want to prove other wise you have to try, it's your job.
3eni NIW, i understand you and I should not generalize but the problem as an expat working inside the IZ you don't see what we see and be confident that they don't treat regular Iraqis like others and they change their attitude once they are home inside the IZ.
Miraj, honestly, I don't care what you think you "know" - you posted a video that is almost certainly a vicious hoax, for propaganda purposes. How many people will watch that video and decide to go take some revenge, and kill (or die) over an imagined grievance? Who benefits from what you did?
You preach hate while at the same time expecting the people you hate to feel sorry for you, and to try and make things right with you. I gave up on you and your blogging a long time ago, when you were talking nonsense about how the sectarian violence in Iraq was all because of the Americans egging people on. You live in a world of denial, Miraj. Maybe that makes you feel better, but it doesn't do anyone else any good.
-I do not preach hate but I am uncovering the games which causing the hate your government is spreading out. It is quite funny that it is always ok for you to mislead people about Islam and call Muslims terrorists but when we try to defend ourselves then we are preaching hate. I tell you what, you stop killing us and I will stop talking about you. Get out of our country after fixing the mess you have done. What happened in Abu Grabe was real and we knew about it before the pictures were published but would anyone had believed us if we said it before? No. Only when one of you decides to expose it and your media starts talking about then you would believe it. Was that preaching hate as well? Or was it the truth.
Same thing with this video. I have no clue why anyone would not believe it.
-I don’t know when and where you found me asking you to feel sorry for us. Get real please.
-You did not give up on my blog but you were asked not to comment on my blog.Try to differ between the two pleasae.
-You are the one living in your denial world. A world built for you by your own media.
-Try to read with your eyes not with the hate you have for us PC for I did not feel well hearing that American bastard on the video talking about Iraqis that way.
-Try your best to prove it was wrong and I can put on line thousands of videos which are easily found on the net that shows the reality that you are imposing on us and how racists your war is and how it is again our religion and against Iraqi people. But wait you’ll find an excuse for everything so no use anyway.
Finally, why when Americans sit together alone call Iraqis, enemies? I hope I am not preaching hate now.
Also PC, I hope when you read the comments here :
http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=1140
You wouldn’t think I fabricated it for the sake of the big, quite effective working propaganda that Iraqis are planning against the United States of America. Not that I care for what you think but it’s not my job to cover up for you guys. I’m Iraqi not American.
Miraj, I honestly don't care about your opinions, and I don't know why you are throwing up links and asking me to look at them. Or why you are demanding I try to prove you "wrong" - you are free to believe what you wish to believe. I think your opinions get people killed, and I think your willingness to spread propaganda, gets people killed. It gets *Iraqis* killed. Not just Americans. If you are OK with that, then that's on your conscience. Not mine.
Tell you what PC, when you read my comments next time don't read them, just ignor them. Don't direct your comments to me then blame me for responding.
when you see my comments*
If American soldiers crossed
the Ocean to kill innocents
Then 10 million Iraqi innocents
would be dead ... stop this Bullshit about Americans targeting innocents ...
The Blame for the last 31/2
years of violence belongs
on two elements
1)
Sunni Extremists supplemented
by al-queda who will never
accept a shared government
with the Shia
2) Shia Extremists who want to do
more then retaliate ... they want revenge for 35 years of Saddam
and hundreds of years of Sunni
dominance
These two elements are targeting
innocent Iraqi ... did we ever
hear a news report about
Shia Death squads fighting with
Sunni insurgents or al-queda ???
NO
These groups attack each others
civilian population
And to the genius that suggests
that American killed our own people
and continues the violence in Iraq
so defense industry can make profits ... you are indeed an idiot
The defense industry though sizeable is no where near as large
as Americas entire corperate
structure ...
The insurance companies that
insured the Trade Center ...
The Financial Firms that have
their headquarters in Wall Street
Numerous other huge companies
like Microsoft ... the food
exporting giants etc ... combined
they dwarf the defense industry
Wall Street wants stability in the world NOT WARS ... WARS are
un-predictable ... the Wall Street analysts can not provide
accurate forecasts or models ...
So even though the defense industry
will profit in the short term ...
Wars in general are not good for a diverse economy ... slow staedy
predictable growth is what drives
corporate profit in the USA ...
It is a ugly myth based on ignorance that the US strarts wars
and or contiunues wars for profit.
When Iraq is stable and producing
4 million barrels of oil per day
Wall Street firms will love it
Iraq in an unpredictable situation
only exporting 2 million barrels of oil per day is bad for wall street
WOW READING THESE POSTS REALLY MAKES A PERSON THINK. mAYBE THE PEOPLE OF iRAQ REALLY DO ENJOY THE TERROR OF DAILY LIFE AND WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE? PROMBLEM IS SOME ARE NOT HAPPY JUST KILLING IRAQI'S, THEY WILL ALSO KILL ANYONE THAT ENJOYS FREEDOM
Anonymous 8:15 AM
"... stop this Bullshit" !!!
and
"... you are indeed an idiot" !!!!
Bullshit !! ..Idiot !!!
Is that the way how you argue about issues, by attacking others (ad hominem abusive).
Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensibly damning character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument.
This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.
This tactic is frequently employed as a propaganda tool among politicians who are attempting to influence the voter base in their favor through an appeal to emotion rather than by logical means, especially when their own position is logically weaker than their opponent's.
Anonymous 8:15 AM
Let us examine your argument
You say...
"If American soldiers crossed
the Ocean to kill innocents
Then 10 million Iraqi innocents
would be dead ... "
So, if we want to know whether American soldiers crossed the Ocean to kill Iraqi innocents, we need to look at the number of dead Iraqi innocents.
You claim that number would be around 10 million Iraqi innocents!
That is 10 million out of 28 million (2005 population estimate)!!!
Therefore we conclude from your argument:
If we have a situation were the number of dead Iraqi innocents is less than 10 million .. (let us say 10 thousand dead Iraqi innocents)... then American soldiers didn't crossed the Ocean to kill innocents!!!
Because, your benchmark is 10 million dead Iraqi innocents out of 28 million (2005 population estimate)!!!!
My Nominee for 'Black Globe of TERROR AWARD' GEORGE BUSH.
As an American, I find that there is a determined effort on some political agendist's part to demonize America and its efforts in every regard, and a determined effort to undermine success in Iraq by these same people. Personally, I don't see how this mindset solves anything. It certainly doesn't help Iraqis. I curse all political agendists, as they are the enemies of success and global peace.
Miraj darlin, I'm sure you are a lovely person. Text/links on the internet can be "corrupted." But I think you are smart enough to know, you cannot judge a whole country of people, based on the acts of a few "criminals." Comon sweetie, that doesn't even make sense. If someone commits a crime? They should be jailed, no matter thier race, religion, color or country. Criminals are criminals. Surely, we can both agree on that.
Love to you. Signed, American mom
There are people in the government of the USA that want to see Iraq fail, just to prove that they were right about Iraq and about Viet Nam. They make the security plans big news on TV so that the people of America will say they are right.
Imagine that! Just to prove they are right!
It is those people that Bush is opposed to; it is those people who want the US to pull out and leave Iraq to the dogs of war.
I will pray for your country and your people each day.
I just found your blog and I am intrigued. I was actually looking for information on Halabcha and am seeking the best account of whether it was Iraqi or Iranian gas used.
I have but read a few of your entries but find your style and language to be admirable. I will be back. In the event you see this and can shed any light on Halabch, I'd be grateful. I admit at this pint I am of the opinion that it was Saddam whose gas killed Iraqis and Iranians and this has a lot to do with knowing such gas was supplied by the USA to Iraq, but Iranian use of such gas is to my knowledge not even confirmed.
Anyway, I wish you the best. As a fellow human type person, (rabbit-ish actually) I wnt o express my empathy over the whole scene. Isn't it all just a really screwed up mess we live with, all of us? I am not sure we derive ANY benefits from our central, national governments at all. I cannot concieve of any service performed by my government which supplies me with something I know could not have been done better and more efficiently by my local community/government. We get nothing but grief from these pumped up arrogant elitist arseholes who control ALL ournatnal level government these days and who invariably cause wars, ill feelings and disruptions between all people. I have never had anything but JOY from travelling the world in free congress with all the people I met. Even though sometimes we did not even share a common language I found more perfect human interaction and communication which could only have gotten better in each case given time than, anything that national governments are capable of negotiating.
Humans do not need large centralised governments. I hear much about the problem with the media and also big corporations and there is plenty of reason to hold both directly accountable for just about everything which is wrong in the world today. Economy, human rights, equality, environment and global relations/security. Good idea to give the pair them a horoughly good bashing in my opinion. Thrash em both and lock them in the cupboard for a few years until they learn WHOM they are serving.
But I think that another way is to remove the thoroughly superfluous National governments. The first way is to tackle the first hand perpetrators, who are themselves controlled by an elitist group of aberrant scum, the second is to disarm the mongrels.
The national governments are their primary tool. My heart bleeds for Iraq. I live every day in shame that my country has gone down the path of sycophantic support of the USA in its curent round of unchecked aggression. Australia was an even more respected country with a much more highly regarded people than America ever had only ten years ago. Today we are just about the third leg of the most evil stool which was ever erected to diminish the hopes and opportunities of nations who deserve our help, rather than our bullets and bombs. .
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