Woke up at 630 am and switched the TV on immediately. Was faced with the Big Large Red Breaking news that Saddam has infact been executed. I cant write much as Im at work now. So far, I havent heard any bombings. All I heard on my way to work is the Imam of the mosque thats close by saying his sermon and thanking God that the end of the devil has finally come. I havent heard any celebarotary fire either. I better go, but will definitely write once I hear anything. Im actually bummed out cuz Im dying to watch the footage they supposedly took but our IT has blocked any streaming sites. I tried to watch live coverage on alarabiya, but even that is blocked now. Damn...
I also heard on the CNN that a witness that was present claimed some people started dancing around Saddam's body after his execution!!! In Islam, thats a big no no. I guess I have to go now, but will write a longer past later tonight on my thoughts when Im in the privacy of my own room. Today marks the end of an evil era, the end of an evil era and the beginning of an even worse one...The Doomed Era...Iraq's Doomed Era...
posted by neurotic_wife at
7:36 AM
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I'm kind of shocked he seems to have actually been executed. I was expected some kind of miraculous escape that nobody knew anything about. Wow.
I'm generally in favor of due process, but I have to say I really wish Saddam had not been taken alive, 3 years ago.
Dancing around his body is probably the least of the things that could have been done to his body when Saddam died. After Mussolini was shot, his body was hung upside down and allowed to be abused by people until it was decomposing. This was to prove that Mussolini was dead and as a warning to his followers to stop fighting. Hopefully the Baathists don't need Saddam's head or body on display to get the message that their cause is dead and so will they if they continue to fight. It is better that Saddam was caught alive. There was too much speculation about doubles that his death in his hole in the ground by grenade would have left open doubt about him truly being dead, and it revealed him for the hypocritical coward he was except to the most fanatical of his followers. There is absolutely no doubt even among his followers that it is Saddam who was executed, and his ignominious end puts an exclamation point at the end of the history of a man who ordered his own soldiers to die fighting.
He got off easy. So did the Bush Croonies ("now he'll never be able to explain in a real court of law how we sold them all those weapons of destruction, and how we told the Kurds to rise up against him and let them be slaughtered with made in the USA weapons while we watched and did nothing" "Hehehe").
Saddam died old after living an interesting life. That's more than the people he killed, or the people the americans' killed, or the innocent animals caught up in the horror who were killed, can say.
I see no celebration here.
Hoping this turns out to be more of a non-event than the media would like. Here's hoping for you.
I did catch one short blurb regarding possible actions being considered for Iraq that sounded positively...Clintonian ie: workfare (actually paying real live Iraqis to clean up, fix up, etc.), micro-loan program, etc. It kind of got buried under the Saddam coverage but I swear I heard it.
Ok, no, I'm not screamingly optimistic but it was the first not 100% retarded thing I've heard.
Things we should have been doing from the first since we were crazy enough to go over there at all.
Saddam's death is just a meaningless act of revenge or victor's justice carried out by the puppets of the occupying forces. Whichever way you look at it, it is more politics than justice and will achieve absolutely nothing positive. A barbaric act performed on a barbaric tyrant by people not much better than the dictator themselves with their rampaging militias. It will likely only succeed in driving another wedge between Sunni and Shia and cause even more suffering rather than any type of healing or reconciliation. Another 100 innocent Iraqis will die today and another 100 tomorrow and the cycle of violence will just continue unabated. Bush calls that progress !
Will there be more celebrating in Sadr City or Tehran ??
Could today mark the beginning of the end for Iraq ? - the final straw that will take the country down the road to full blown civil war and eventually split a once proud Iraq into seperate secular regions ?
Let's hope someone comes to their senses before it's really too late.
One positive note: according to a CNN legal expert, the 280+ page official ruling on Saddam from the tribunal is actually a very high quality document that is well-reasoned with no holes in its arguments.
I am opposed to the death penalty in this country because we have reasonably secure prisons and there have been many (60+) cases where convicted people have been set free with DNA evidence. But if we were in the middle of an insurgency, and the leader of the insurgency were found and convicted, I would have to support the death penalty because of the risk of escape from prison.
Do you see any signs that any of the particpants in the conflict are giving up? (Other than the USA, of course, we want to give up!) War ends when people choose to stop fighting!
Eid Mubarak to you and do hope; really hope and pray - Iraq will some how get better. Can it get worse than it is now?
My heart and deepest feelings go out to all the people of Iraq; to the children most of all.
Little will change with Saddams execution. It's only one thing less to deal with. There is more serious business at hand." The end of the devil has finally come." But there's plenty more where that one came from. People dancing around Saddam's body may be against Islam, but what have we seen in the news of Iraq that does represent Islam in a good light? Iraq's doomed era is only doomed if that's what Iraqi's want. It's time to put the cynicism, the fatalism aside. It's time for postive ideas about moving forward.
1 Million people died during the Iran/Iraq war, between 3000 and 7000 Kurds in the Halabja attacks (excluding Saddam's use of chemical weapons against civilians throughout the 1980s), used human shields in Kuwait, and he fired Scuds at Israel.
He's been convicted for killing 148 Iraq Shiite and has been executed. He will never be held to account, or convicted, for the rest, because he's dead. He will now never be convicted of any of the things in the first paragraph.
Is that justice? Nobody would argue that Saddam didn't deserve it. But didn't the rest of Saddam's victims deserve to have him convicted of crimes against them?
Apparently not. Nobody could wait.
Previous anonymous,
How many judges, prosecutors and lawyers were murdered for being involved in Saddam's trial the in the last 3 years?
How many more years would it have taken to convict him of additional crimes? How many more Iraqis would have been murdered for being involved in Saddam's trial, during those additional years?
You're right. Nobody could wait. Saddam should have never been captured alive.
I have friends who were murdered by Hezbollah in 1983. I too, want justice. I wanted it then. I want it more, now. Instead, I get to see Hezbollah marches where the murderers loudly proclaim themselves to be heroes. I get to see Hassan Nasrallah on television making threats against my country.
Where is my justice, anonymous commenter?
I will have it. It's 23 years over due but I will have it. And when American troops invade Lebanon, I will not be asking for Hassan Nasrallah to be put on trial, or for any other Hezbollah leader to be put on trial. They deserve to die, and when they are killed, that is justice enough for me. I have no interest in seeing them grandstanding in a courtroom, year after year. They should be shot down like rabid dogs. Because that is what they are.
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