neurotic Iraqi wife
June 09, 2008
The Damned Iraqi Victim
I received a youtube link from a very close acquaintance of mine. There was no title or subject line. You tube is blocked from our work and I was very eager to know whats the video about. So I sent the link to one of the IT guys and asked him if he can download it and send it to me. It took him a while. So I went to find out whats going on. I entered their office, and all the guys’ faces were pale white. They looked at me and one of them said “Who the hell sent you this?”
D hates the fact Im here, let alone working with the Americans. When she first found out about me coming here three years ago, she tried to talk me out of it. “How could you?” She kept asking me. “How could you work with the enemy?” She knew of my situation with HUBBY and she infact experienced my stressful times first hand when Id lose all sanity if I know of some GZ bombings and cant communicate with him. She was there, and knew how much I suffered.
In the end, she kinda respected my decision, and made it clear that we agree to disagree. D was born here, lived almost half of her life here before she was forced to leave by her parents at the age of 27. D during that time was living with relatives in Baghdad, while her family had left Iraq in the late 70’s early 80’s.
D never believed in the Baath party, but she strongly believed in its leader and his Arab Nationalism. Yes she not only believed or was infatuated by him, but she was in love with Saddam. To this day, D, talks about him with all pride. Till this day D thinks he is a hero. She fears no one, nor does she shy away from her rigid opinions. Till this day, D mourns whom she claims the true love of her life. D was never a Baathist, and I can vouch for that. They asked her to join but she always found a way out. She came face to face with Saddam on 2 occasions, I think, during some festivities or something of that sort.
Im not gonna go through the details of what she had to go through inorder to meet the man, but wow, I tell you, she along with her organization had to go through some extreme search and sanitary process for them to be allowed to shake the man’s hands. Anyhow, during the war, and while I was still living in London, D would call me up in tears. She found her only solace in me. Yes in me, cuz even though I hated the guy, I still loved my country. And seeing it go in flames was not something I ever wanted.
D and I would talk for hours. All I did was just be there to listen to her. And umm at times, I would actually add fuel to the fire and make her even more depressed. That’s when I started getting phonecalls from relatives asking me to stop because D has literally lost it.
When Saddam was found in that hole in Dec 04, D went into denial. When Saddam faced his destiny, D fell ill and pressed the pause button on her life. She neglected her children, her house, her business, and most of all she neglected herself. I saw her a few weeks after that incident. She was shrouded in black. Her beautiful face looked sullen, her eyes hollow. “He is gone Neurotica, he is gone forever”. “Those dogs, look at those dogs and what they did to him. I don’t want to be Iraqi no more. I don’t want to be Shia no more. We are all Hypocrites”.
In the past, I tried explaining to her why I and many people view Saddam as evil. How he tortured people, how he eradicated hundreds of thousands of his own nation. But D never saw it this way. D always had excuses. When I ask her about the uprising in 91, and how innocent people got killed, her answer was always “But they wanted to overthrow him!!! Any sane leader would do the same!”. When I asked her about the deadly bloody Halabcha, she would say “But that wasn’t him that was Iran.” When Id count to her names of people that disappeared and were never found, she would say “They were (mutamarideen) trouble makers and against the regime” When I said ok, what about the girls that were raped by his sons, what about the children that got orphaned, D would say “ You cannot hold him accountable for what his sons did”
For every question D had an answer. And what was worse, she truly believed in those answers. It got me thinking, here is a woman, who grew up in Baghdad in the most sensitive era of all. Here is a woman who fell in love with a leader that pretended was all for “Arab Unity” and managed to brainwash and convince D and millions of others. Almost many of D’s generation who are now in their mid forties, share her same ideology. She showed me pictures of her room back in the 70’s and 80’s with Saddam’s photos plastered all over. D said it was a constant fight with her parents to be vocal about her feelings. Till this day, her family disapproves of her behavior, her outbursts, her eternal love for that man. To her, Iraq equaled Saddam. And now, Iraq does not exist.
A few months into the war and she told me "Neurotica, mind my words, one day, one day you will know I was right about Saddam, and one day, all those who hated him, will wish he was back. Mark my words". I guess I can understand where she is coming from, but I can never and will never agree. Yesterday, she sent me the following link and it literally killed me, pissed me off, disgusted me and for just one second, one second only, I remembered her words.
Even though I hated what I saw, and I know theres worse, But I decided to share with her what I know and show her this and ask her, whole heartedly, in all these atrocities, who was, is and will always be the Victim? The Damned Iraqi Victim…
Saddam's Regime Atrocities
WARNING, CONTAINS GRAPHICAL GRUESOME IMAGES
And this WARNING, CONTAINS GRAPHICAL GRUESOME IMAGES
D hates the fact Im here, let alone working with the Americans. When she first found out about me coming here three years ago, she tried to talk me out of it. “How could you?” She kept asking me. “How could you work with the enemy?” She knew of my situation with HUBBY and she infact experienced my stressful times first hand when Id lose all sanity if I know of some GZ bombings and cant communicate with him. She was there, and knew how much I suffered.
In the end, she kinda respected my decision, and made it clear that we agree to disagree. D was born here, lived almost half of her life here before she was forced to leave by her parents at the age of 27. D during that time was living with relatives in Baghdad, while her family had left Iraq in the late 70’s early 80’s.
D never believed in the Baath party, but she strongly believed in its leader and his Arab Nationalism. Yes she not only believed or was infatuated by him, but she was in love with Saddam. To this day, D, talks about him with all pride. Till this day D thinks he is a hero. She fears no one, nor does she shy away from her rigid opinions. Till this day, D mourns whom she claims the true love of her life. D was never a Baathist, and I can vouch for that. They asked her to join but she always found a way out. She came face to face with Saddam on 2 occasions, I think, during some festivities or something of that sort.
Im not gonna go through the details of what she had to go through inorder to meet the man, but wow, I tell you, she along with her organization had to go through some extreme search and sanitary process for them to be allowed to shake the man’s hands. Anyhow, during the war, and while I was still living in London, D would call me up in tears. She found her only solace in me. Yes in me, cuz even though I hated the guy, I still loved my country. And seeing it go in flames was not something I ever wanted.
D and I would talk for hours. All I did was just be there to listen to her. And umm at times, I would actually add fuel to the fire and make her even more depressed. That’s when I started getting phonecalls from relatives asking me to stop because D has literally lost it.
When Saddam was found in that hole in Dec 04, D went into denial. When Saddam faced his destiny, D fell ill and pressed the pause button on her life. She neglected her children, her house, her business, and most of all she neglected herself. I saw her a few weeks after that incident. She was shrouded in black. Her beautiful face looked sullen, her eyes hollow. “He is gone Neurotica, he is gone forever”. “Those dogs, look at those dogs and what they did to him. I don’t want to be Iraqi no more. I don’t want to be Shia no more. We are all Hypocrites”.
In the past, I tried explaining to her why I and many people view Saddam as evil. How he tortured people, how he eradicated hundreds of thousands of his own nation. But D never saw it this way. D always had excuses. When I ask her about the uprising in 91, and how innocent people got killed, her answer was always “But they wanted to overthrow him!!! Any sane leader would do the same!”. When I asked her about the deadly bloody Halabcha, she would say “But that wasn’t him that was Iran.” When Id count to her names of people that disappeared and were never found, she would say “They were (mutamarideen) trouble makers and against the regime” When I said ok, what about the girls that were raped by his sons, what about the children that got orphaned, D would say “ You cannot hold him accountable for what his sons did”
For every question D had an answer. And what was worse, she truly believed in those answers. It got me thinking, here is a woman, who grew up in Baghdad in the most sensitive era of all. Here is a woman who fell in love with a leader that pretended was all for “Arab Unity” and managed to brainwash and convince D and millions of others. Almost many of D’s generation who are now in their mid forties, share her same ideology. She showed me pictures of her room back in the 70’s and 80’s with Saddam’s photos plastered all over. D said it was a constant fight with her parents to be vocal about her feelings. Till this day, her family disapproves of her behavior, her outbursts, her eternal love for that man. To her, Iraq equaled Saddam. And now, Iraq does not exist.
A few months into the war and she told me "Neurotica, mind my words, one day, one day you will know I was right about Saddam, and one day, all those who hated him, will wish he was back. Mark my words". I guess I can understand where she is coming from, but I can never and will never agree. Yesterday, she sent me the following link and it literally killed me, pissed me off, disgusted me and for just one second, one second only, I remembered her words.
Even though I hated what I saw, and I know theres worse, But I decided to share with her what I know and show her this and ask her, whole heartedly, in all these atrocities, who was, is and will always be the Victim? The Damned Iraqi Victim…
Saddam's Regime Atrocities
WARNING, CONTAINS GRAPHICAL GRUESOME IMAGES
And this WARNING, CONTAINS GRAPHICAL GRUESOME IMAGES
31 Comments:
Welcome to War.
You really are in what they call the 'Bubble'. When you leave, I would recommend that you don't visit Youtube, or Liveleak on the web. Although other's in the 'Bubble' might find these videos cause them to turn white in the face, they are mild videos. I guess when you have censorship reality is an illusion.
The security agreement between the U.S. and Iraq are of a concern since it says that no one will be liable for anything. What do you think of Maliki's visit to Iran?
Well said Neurotica, hopefully these videos will not only shed light more light on D but on others who try to support the previous dictator.
The Propaganda commercially attracts irresponsible, under developed minds. Behavioral Sciences provides opportunities to work with disadvantaged people. I found D's presentation lacking. Biological finance clocking over a conditioned population that is recursively resistant to regimental control is doing what is expected to do. The system provides governance and safety increases with proper executive. Coma victims aren't exactly piles of excrement and neither is Coco the GSL enhanced Gorilla evangelist. Hand Coco to a dark black obelisk and light the Heavens. No talking spaceship. If we like who we are.
Anon, if this is war, then I dont want it! But its happened and I cant turn back time...
WH, Im not so sure what to think anymore abt Maliki visiting Iran. What sort of wheeling and dealing is going on? Is he honestly there to tell them stay away? Or is he there to make some deal with them?
Hey Ahmed, in all honestly, I love D, to me she is an amazing woman. But like many people, she has been brainwashed...And thats whats sad...As I mentioned, for every atrocity that took place during Saddam's time, she would give me an excuse...I tried to shed light on her, but didnt work...Even now he is gone, her eyes well with tears if theres a program abt him..Oh well
OMG, dear Neurotica, I told you, I start my day with ur blog.... but today I'm sorry I did it:(
I had the courrage to watch the first movie, but not the last two:(
My heart is full with sadness.
WHY THEY DON'T FINISH FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!
HOW LONG THEY'LL CONTINUE???????
I feel so sorry ab ur friend,but if she'll continue to feed herself with these kind of movies........... :((
Neurotica GO OUT FROM THAT PLACE! AND WRITE A BOOK!
warm greetings dear Neurotica and to make you little bit happy, I confess that today my princess will turn 12 :)
Oh, I can't tell you what Maliki's saying in Iran, that would ruin the censorship rulez. But, if you want to know what is unfolding you could check this:
http://www.jvim.com/invasion.htm
hi neurotica, glad to see you back and in good humor. "he is going for the ride since its free…". ha, that's very funny. but if the lady is really mean all he will get for a long time is a little a lift here and there.
so you both have set a deadline. that's great, but consider having one for YOU, so you can take some time with your family in case your husband get stuck in his job. and about your explicit post, please don't be sorry, it's is such openness that makes your blog so nice and human. and i must say that women period never turned me down, if you know what i mean. :)
hehehehehe u anglo-american GZ prostitute. u use the same shit propaganda of ur masters the yankees. 2 bad saddam didn't finish off ur filthy kind.at least ur relative D isn't a slut like urself.
Iraqi jails today - torture, injustice and bribes.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m44759&s1=h1
and the torturers are shias.
D's correct. you're all a bunch of worthless hypocrites.
I'm calling in a crack team of psychologists for this one. Dee's Truth is encrypted within a series of photographs she compulsively empowers her life with? Would it be considered Dee-humanizing to make Thumbnails of Saddam and paste the little photos in a specific order upon the keys of an ASCI-103 Keyboard? Why just Saddam? What about Chester the Cheetah and Joe Camel? Maybe Speedy Gonzalez can have the Enter Key? All Dee will have to do is watch her favorite cartoons. It's up to us to unplug her PS/2 interface and we would Officially be the HYPOCRITES for not talking to her about South East Asian Animation Chop Shop and all of the Orphan Smugglers -- RSVP Do you have a PS/2 Port and a high tolerance for Opiates?
Neurotica that is fine...as long as you keep trying to shed light on her then you are doing your job.
I hope the best for her and as I said before may she one day see the evil that you and I see in Saddam.
Sorry Anca, I too was extremely bothered by this video. It's a shame that they dont educate their military before they bring them here...
Aaaaaah Tib, TMI!!! (Too much info) :)
AS, whatever...
Democratic Iraq, I agree with you, the current govt is corrupt. They too torture, and I know that...But to say All shia's are BAD, thats just backward thinking...No wonder there is so much hatred here, its because of ppl like you that live in ignorance...
Ahmed, thanx
Miss neurotic_wife,
This is my first time visiting your site, and I am very impressed with your blog (though much less so with your commenters).
I am a lawyer from Texas, but as a youth, I served in the U.S. Army. I was stationed in South Korea for one eye-opening year.
The difference I see in the videos is this: When watching the American soldiers and Marines interacting with Iraqis, one glares and thinks, "What jerks!" When watching the Iraqis interacting with Iraqis, one gasps in horror and turns away.
Another difference is that the Americans are all very low-level enlisted men. These men -- hardly more than boys really -- are under tremendous stress; they are in a strange land with strange people, and they are deeply sad being so far from their homes and families in the U.S. The Iraqis on the other hand, seem to be fully-grown, adult men. While no Iraqis are hurt or killed in the video of the American "jerks", we see Iraqis calmly beating Iraqis, tossing Iraqis off roofs, and blowing up Iraqis for sport. Given that the young Americans see how Iraqis treat Iraqis -- along with the other factors I listed above, it's amazing that the Americans themselves are so restrained.
RRH
Hello Neurotica,
I was disturbed by all of the videos. I had already seen the one of the Americans on you tube months ago and I was disgusted then as now. As for D, she has her mind made up and you nor anyone else will change her views.
Anonymous: Are you saying that because these young military men are stressed that their behavoir is acceptable? I am stressed about the price of gas, the US Presidential Election, and what idiot will be in charge of our already out of control country but I don't think I would sink to the level of humiliating another human being because of it. I do agree that they must have very low intelligience to ridicule children.
AS: PLEASE go away
wow. amazing blog.
I can see how people could agree with D, or simply begin to think like her, simply because the ravages of an illegal war has killed more Iraqis than if Saddam were in power. If I'm not mistaken, the rank and file Iraqi did have clean running water when Saddam was president.
and...If the Bush family's kill tally could be youtubed, it would far outweigh Saddam's.
joke time for 'anon'
Where does copper wire come from?
(A)Two lawyers fighting over a penny
What is the difference between a lawyer on the road and a snake on the road?
(A)The skid marks in front of the snake.
"Where does copper wire come from?" - ?
LLSPC - Long lasting Sun Protection Complex?
LLS - Long Lasting Stick?
Dead Rat?
L Ron Hubbard.
Thanks for the free money.
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"Neurotica, mind my words, one day, one day you will know I was right about Saddam, and one day, all those who hated him, will wish he was back."
Saddam's supporters tried to do this by inviting Al Qaeda into Iraq and mass murdering Iraqis. They tried to burn the house down to prove the former "leader" was better. Many Iraqis (and non-Iraqis) fell for it - they say Saddam was better because there were no suicide bombers and car bombs when Saddam was in power. That's because the Iraqis who hated Saddam did not blow up marketplaces when Saddam was in charge.
D, like Layla Anwar and so many Saddam lovers, is wrong. Many Iraqis STILL hate Saddam, even after the violence of the last five years.
I can understand D's viewpoint of this. I, myself, would at any point rather have the murderous trash Saddam, than the current occupiers and our current government (we can argue all the day about this government being less extreme then the former government, however it remains that to me our current government is just starting to resemble Shia's version of Saddam more and more).
Saddam and his party kept order in the country, while not the best order there was decent order left. Cause trouble and get killed. Saddam and his party, in fact anyone who openly supported his group even after all the atrocities they commited, will be among the people I hate most, people I would not hesistate to kill at all if killing itself would be legal. Even so I tend to see what good Saddam or in fact the Baath party brought to Iraq and what bad it brought. While I appreciate the good they brought the bad outweighted the good (that is if you weren't k*ssing their ass back then).
Even so, disregarding the fact that we might have never had a Saddam (in fact never had a Baath party ruling Iraq) if the U.S and Britain would have never interfered with us, the fact remains that our (rather mine as I will not speak for all Iraqis) enemies have brought us something worse then what Saddam could ever do.
The death rate is far higher then what it was during Saddam, numerous services for DAILY surviving are gone, education is crap, infrastructure is trash, suicide bombers are roaming free, religios extremists are taking over our country more and our government consists of nothing but members who already sold their souls to what I consider two of our biggest enemies: The United States and Iran.
It's a shame, a murderous barbarian, a savage (aka Saddam/the dog) managed to rule Iraq and keep it surviving, keep it in a better condition, keep foreign soldiers OFF OUR COUNTRY, then the owner of the dog (The U.S).
This is exactly why I would yearn for Saddam's time and rule, why I would ask for it to come back, those 5 years have brought us nothing good, Saddam brought us more bad then good so we come to the point were we have to choose between two bad groups. Its only logical to choose the one that is less bad as it cause less trouble.
I myself once said that U.S troops should stay until the stabiltiy has improved, I don't buy this anymore and I was wrong. The U.S is one of the many factors which never will bring us the stability. It isn't just mere coincidence that a wave of trouble appeared with our so called "liberation" *spit*.
People might call me a Baathist supporter, a Saddam sympathizer which couldn't be farther from the truth (those people tend to be the ones with a limited view). I, an Iraqi, consider any NON-Iraqi combatant on my soil to be an enemy of mine, a terrorist.
The ones that have caused my country most pain and trouble the past 100 years are Great Britan and the United States, they easily win. But only the U.S have been really active with us say the past 50-60 years. Thus I consider them the biggest enemies to my country and to me. The second ones to me would be our neighbhoring countries which have brought, along with the U.S, nothing but destruction to the land of the two rivers, our beloved Mesopotamia, our beloved Iraq.
D's view are extreme, from what I understand she is a Shia, while I'm not saying all Shia are/were oppressed (remember that many members of the Baath party, prior to Saddam being the leader, was in fact Shia muslims) she should be able to understand things better. Its ok for her to wish for the past to return, to wish for Saddam to return. If it was possible I would want Saddam back, but there is NOTHING that will ever make me glorify him, like him, or support him for that matter. Even now, when I say that I would rather have him back, I could care less about the fact that he is dead, each time I think of his death it makes me more happy.
To put a part of my view with just some words: The U.S and its allies and our neighbhours are enemies, and will be forever unless they someday cease to exist. Iran, The U.S? Britan? Saudi Arabia? Kuwait (sorry I mean Iraq, Kuwait do NOT exist in my world), UAE, Syria, Turkey, Jordan etc. all of them are the same, they are no different. All of them are partipicating in the current destruction of Iraq. Thus they are the primary enemies and the ones who threaten me/many of us, the second ones would be our own people, like those who blow themselves up to kill Shia so they can (according to them) eat temmen o qime (in other words lunch) with Islam's so called last prophet, Muhammed/Mohammed.
Now I can openly admit that I dislike the fact that neurotic iraqi wife work with americans. I don't like that one bit, I hate that in fact, I would even ban both men and women from working with them if I could and if the consequences would be minimal. But she is nothing but another Iraqi trying to live her life, while I dislike what she is doing I'm not going to hate her or curse her, I will wish her luck like I do to many Iraqis. Hating her would be the same as hating many other Iraqis who work with Americans just because they MAYBE are trying to earn some money to feed their family or support their family. Simply said, I don't like what she is doing, but she have her reasons, I'm not going to ask for those reasons. What I will ask or rather request of her is that she always stay loyal to her country and love it, its culture and history and its people which I no doubt believe that she will.
Shame to me that she works with Americans? As an iraqi then yes? My problem however? As long as its doesn't affect our people to the degree were something occurs to them, NO, not my problem. However one could say that despite how little you work for Americans, working for them will contribute to what they want to do, it will only help them accomplish their goals in some way or other, even if just little it helps the process slowly.
Think of it like this, I, a person from country A, want to fill a bucket with water in country B. Many in country B are against it, but some people in country B put one drop of water each. While a drop of water might be harmless in an empty bucket that needs to be filled, the end result, despite being achieved slowly, would eventually be a bucket filled with water, thus I managed to accomplish what I came for. This might be a bad example but I'm saying that we can apply the same logic to working with Americans here. But who am I to stop telling people who to work for? neurotic Iraqi wife choose to do it, its her choice, cursing her or trying to prevent her from doing it is pointless as its not my life and as its not directly or indirectly afecting me right now, that is unless I want to go with a very extrem and hard view which I won't.
Here's my reply to a part of a post of an anonymous poster:
"Another difference is that the Americans are all very low-level enlisted men. These men -- hardly more than boys really -- are under tremendous stress; they are in a strange land with strange people, and they are deeply sad being so far from their homes and families in the U.S. The Iraqis on the other hand, seem to be fully-grown, adult men. While no Iraqis are hurt or killed in the video of the American "jerks", we see Iraqis calmly beating Iraqis, tossing Iraqis off roofs, and blowing up Iraqis for sport. Given that the young Americans see how Iraqis treat Iraqis -- along with the other factors I listed above, it's amazing that the Americans themselves are so restrained.
RRH"
Does it happen that all Texas people are just as ignorant as you? I don't know, I've met a countless people from Texas, all seem to be equally dumb like you. No offense meant, but you are dumb.
I don't give one shit about your soldiers, I would rather see every single one of them shot dead on my soil rather than see them walking on it and making it dirty, another option would be for them to get the out of my country. Do you think I actually give one f*cking shit that they are stressed, thus they should do what they want in MY country? No, we never asked you to come to our country, we never asked you to occupy it and destroy it, we never asked you to interfer with it in over 40 years. We never wanted you, yet you forced yourself in our country, in other words, to put it nicely, you are unwelcomed guests. Any Iraqi is freakin' justified in killing you since you are occupying their country. You're trying to justify the bad actions done by your comrades, your "brother in arms", by excusing it with stress? What a pathetic excuse, but you're not the first one to use this, I constantly hear this from westerners, you're no different. You're just another example of why the world hate americans more and more. Think before you speak. As for Iraqis killing other Iraqis, that is NOT your business, that is our (Iraqis) business and our ONLY. If we ask for help from the international community then we DO SO. Unless otherwise we take care of our own shit. Get out of our country, your nation, along with those nations who are supposed to help us most (our neighbhours) are spilling our blood on our own streets.
Let me tell you, if Iraqis would one day roll their tanks through your streets, let their soldiers occupy your streets and carry out airestrikes on your town, maybe treating your family really bad or killing them then just remember that they were stressed ok? By the way those 9-11 hijackers were also just stressed due to the western world interference in West Asia/Middle East/Arabia since who knows when. No big deal to the victims caught in the destruction of the buildings which were liberated!
Anon,
I think you should go back and watch news coverage before the US invaded Irag. And see all of the Iraqis complaining that the Americans were not doing anything to help with Saddama tyrany. Believe most average Amercian citizens want our troops out of GODDAMNED country too. You are nothing but whiners with your hands out to the United Nations as long as it is convenient for you "where is our help"!!! Help yourselves and hopefully you can have another government just like Sddams. And I would love to see the day that Iraqis tried to roll tanks through our streets because you know you would get your ASSES KICKED....
"Anon,
I think you should go back and watch news coverage before the US invaded Irag. And see all of the Iraqis complaining that the Americans were not doing anything to help with Saddama tyrany. Believe most average Amercian citizens want our troops out of GODDAMNED country too. You are nothing but whiners with your hands out to the United Nations as long as it is convenient for you "where is our help"!!! Help yourselves and hopefully you can have another government just like Sddams. And I would love to see the day that Iraqis tried to roll tanks through our streets because you know you would get your ASSES KICKED...."
A perfect example of american stupidity at its finest form. No Iraqi complained prior to the war about wanting help from you guys. This is a well known fact, instead there were people saying that they DIDN'T want war, but you barbarians had to "liberate us" (in other words bomb our country to bits). A few might have wanted your help and asked you to come and liberate them, they exist and I won't deny that although they are a minority in the country. At first, when you invaded the country it was pretty much calm, people weren't that much against you let alone very aggressive. Can I blame them? Nope, you got rid of a dictator who was partly helped to come to power by the freedom & peace loving U.S. But still, why don't you exactly just show me one article, just ONE where the majority of Iraqis told you to invade their country, told you that they needed your help, wanted your soldiers to occupy their country and to stand on their soil. Please just show me one article.
Last time we asked for help was during the uprisings (1991 uprisings), you know when you cowards left our brave men & women to be killed by Saddams army, who was far more superior then those who revolted against him.
Yes, of course you want your savage troops out of our country. Now both of us agree on that, here's the difference. Some of you want your troops out of our country once you've raped us enough and stolen most of our property (which means to stay there until stability has been achieved, in other words stay there forever), other Americans honestly want their troops to leave our country after realizing 5 years later how most of them were nothing but brainwashed warmongering people and how your wonderful government completely screwed them over. I don't know which group you belong to but I hope for the latter one.
To bad that your current government actually don't give a shit about your troops though. They seem to care more about making Iraq into a a western colony (pretty self-evident since the beginning if the occupation) rather then taking your troops back from the chaos they've created.
Now then my stupid american friend(NOT!):
I'm sorry for whining about the fact that you've basically been helping the destruction of our country since the coup d’état of 1958. I'm sorry for whining that you've brought religious extremists to our country, both Iraqi-born and foreigners, who blow up our people to bits. I'm sorry for whining that you've killed our elders, women and kids with your airstrikes which you justify by "there were no civilians there" or "terrorists were using them as human shields". I'm sorry for whining about your military consisting of people who you could call criminals back in your own nation. I'm sorry for whining about your nation hiring mercenaries in OUR country (which resulted in shooting of my innoncent people). I'm sorry for whining about your soldiers sometimes raping our women, or raping a 14 year old girl. I'm sorry for......man I could keep writing the whole day about this. Of course seeing how intelligent you are you expect me to be grateful for all this right?
Your last sentence prove how stupid you actually are. I never even said Iraqis would be ABLE to roll tanks through your streets (I was trying to prove a POINT you idiot), thinking that this would happen anytime soon would only prove me being stupid (which I am not, unlike you). Iraq don't stand a chance against the U.S because the U.S is a superpower with a much more superior military compared to us, both in terms of power and technology. Just getting our tanks to reach our shore would be a dream. While I was trying to make a point you interpreted that point as "Me is stronger then you!!!!!", once again only thinking about war and fighting. Typical yankee shock & awe thinking.
I will still stand by my statement: The U.S is the biggest threat to the survival of Iraq, the second biggest threat is our neighbhours, the third anyone foreign force who tries to interfere with Iraq and the fourth being ourselves. Sue me.
Let me tell you, if Iraqis would one day roll their tanks through your streets, let their soldiers occupy your streets
ANON,
YOUR POINT WAS NOTHING BUT HATRED. AND YOU FOR TO CALL ME STUPID IS HUMOROUS! IN AMERICA OUR WOMEN ARE NOT TREATED AS THE UNDERCLASS. WE ARE VERY WELL EDUCATED BESAUSE WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY, SOMETHING YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOUR COUNTRY IS STILL FIGHTING A WAR THAT HAS GONE ONE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF EVOLUTION? YOU ARE THE IDIOT. AND YES, BEFORE THE US INVADED IRAQ THERE WERE SEVERAL NEWS REPORTS WITH IRAQIS SCREAMING "WHY DOES'NT AMERICA COME BACK AND FINISHED WHAT THEY STARTED IN THE FIRST WAR. iF YOU AND YOUR OTHER COUNTRYMEN ARE SO GODDAMNED INTELLIGENT, THAN WHY DID YOUR PEOPLE NEVER STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES AGAINST SADDAM AND INSIST ON DEMOCRACY? YOU WERE TOO COWARDLY TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOURSELVES BUT NOW THAT SADDAM IS GONE AMERICA IS THE ENEMY. FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN DEMOCRACY. SO BACK TO YOU MY IGNOROANT IRAQI FRIEND, STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR INSTEAD OF BLAMING OTHER NATIONS FOR YOUR PEOPLES INADEQUATIES!
I DO AGREE WITH NEUROTICA, I HOPE BARACK OBAMA IS THE NEXT AMERICAN PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WILL PULL TROOPS OUT IMMEDIATELY AND THE IRAQIS CAN SHOW THEIR COURAGE TO STAND ON THEIR OWN AGAINST THEIR ENEMIES AND SEE HOW FAR YOU GET THEN.
PS: BY THE WAY YOU REALLY SHOWED YOUR LEVEL OF INTELLIGIENCE IN YOUR LAST POST. HERE'S AN IDEA THAT I THINK WOULD FIT YOU PERFECTLY, GET IN TOUCH WITH AL QAEDA AND SEE IF THEY NEED ANY SUICIDE BOMBERS THAT SEEMS TO BE ALL YOU ARE QUALIFIED FOR AND THE WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACW WITHOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
Writing your whole post in big letters won't show your anger, after all we're communicating through the net and not directly. Thus I suggest that you wrote your post in small letters, otherwise it is hard for me and other readers to read through your whole post. Now let me reply back to your post:
1. "YOUR POINT WAS NOTHING BUT HATRED. AND YOU FOR TO CALL ME STUPID IS HUMOROUS!"
Answer: How exactly is it hatred? I've done nothing but shown my hatred to foreign combatants in my soil, that includes your troops who I refer to nothing but terrorists. Hell I even admit that many of my own people are and were to some extent terrorists. Did you think you and your troops would be excluded just because you're Americans? Not at all, you, together with the suicide bombers in our country are the biggest terrorists we've ever met. You're on par with the Mongols from the past who were one of the reason why our country went on to be a shithole compared to its glorious past.
2. "IN AMERICA OUR WOMEN ARE NOT TREATED AS THE UNDERCLASS."
Answer: So you suggest that our women are treated as underclass? Nice way of insulting all Iraqi womens. Never mind that Iraqi women enjoyed most rights of all West Asian countries, never mind that Iraqi women were treated and seen way more equal compared to other countries in the region. Never mind that Iraqi women could make a succesful carrier in Iraq, they could get a high position in their own jobs. None which are possible now because when you guys invaded you pretty much started to hand out Burqas to our women, or in other words, you've helped turning it exactly to what it shouldn't be. Meanwhile let me tell you this; I've been to Sweden, were Iraqi women have been denied to get a job for the following reasons:
* Their name
* Their background
* Their religion
* Their looks (happens to Swedish women, not limited to Iraqi women)
* The fact that they are women (this tend to happen to Swedish women too, so its not limited to Iraqi women)
In other words, Iraqi women, with the exclusion of those who have/had bad husbands/family/males and our former shitty government, had more chances and were treated more equally, were given a better life where they could pursue their carrier, by our own country, than Sweden, a WESTERN country which according to some are considered to be among one of the most free society in the world (yes even more "free" then the U.S, the question is though what people define as "free"). And no, all this doesn't make Iraq an utopia were all women are considered to be diamonds. Shit happens in Iraq too, women can get treated bad. Iraqis are no different than the rest of the humanity who have to some extent the same problem or similiar problems. But I bet you think all those brown evil Iraqi males are wife beaters and kill their wives if they leave their home eh?
3. "WE ARE VERY WELL EDUCATED BESAUSE WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY, SOMETHING YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOUR COUNTRY IS STILL FIGHTING A WAR THAT HAS GONE ONE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT RELIGIONS."
Answer: While I agree that we've never had full democracy this land have had early forms of democracy before your young nation even freakin' existed. Our Sumerian king, Gilgamesh (god bless him), practiced early forms of democracy. Do I need to tell you how far back we have to go to see when the Sumerian civilization even STARTED to exist? Doesn't matter, the land we live on have practiced early democracy before. Only an ignorant idiot would believe that the U.S were the first one to give Iraq(aka Mesopotamia) democracy. By the way you're just what...like several thousands years late to create a full democracy, which in the end is not a democracy but in fact republic?
I shouldn't argue or make a discussion about this as I feel that I don't have enough knowledge about the subject but from what I know I will say the following: America is NOT a democracy, its a republic. Your founding fathers established a republic, not a democracy, and from what I remember they were against it. If I'm correct this should be a statement of one of your founding fathers, James Madison. He wrote in an essay of the Federalist Papers: "democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
Even when you recite your Pledge of Allegiance you don't say it to the democracy, but to the republic.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but the constitution of the United States does not even have the word democracy in it. If I'm wrong on this matter then correct me with facts and not emotional rants as I'm willing to learn about any nation, the U.S included.
4. "DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF EVOLUTION? YOU ARE THE IDIOT. AND YES, BEFORE THE US INVADED IRAQ THERE WERE SEVERAL NEWS REPORTS WITH IRAQIS SCREAMING "WHY DOES'NT AMERICA COME BACK AND FINISHED WHAT THEY STARTED IN THE FIRST WAR."
Answer: Show the articles of those Iraqis screaming for Americans to come and "save them". Please, I want Iraqis within Iraq, not Iraqi exile thugs. And I still admit that there were Iraqis screaming for America to come and help them. I remember many of my fellow Iraqi brothers & sisters who supported what America did in 2003, who were happy then with the invasion. Had America made Iraq peaceful after the invasion and left us alone I would be way more tolerant to the U.S. It didn't happen, and now those same bunch of brothers & sisters, in this case my friends (and its not only LIMITED to my friends but I'm strictly talking about friends here) dislike the U.S even more then what they did prior to it.
5. "iF YOU AND YOUR OTHER COUNTRYMEN ARE SO GODDAMNED INTELLIGENT, THAN WHY DID YOUR PEOPLE NEVER STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES AGAINST SADDAM AND INSIST ON DEMOCRACY?"
Answer: We did, you left us as cowards. By the way, why do we have the responsibility to take down our Iraqi Hitler when you were the ones who greatly supported him and put him to power. Do you want me to show you your nations strong ties to Saddam, when he still was an useful item? Do we have a duty to stand up for someone who could easily kill us and our family? Nope. Did we ask for a foreign nation, who commonly are NOT trusted and pretty much disliked in West Asia, to come as shining White Knights to rescue us? Nope. You forced your way in our country, not ONCE did the majority of us ask you to come to us.
6. "YOU WERE TOO COWARDLY TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOURSELVES BUT NOW THAT SADDAM IS GONE AMERICA IS THE ENEMY. FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN DEMOCRACY. SO BACK TO YOU MY IGNOROANT IRAQI FRIEND, STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR INSTEAD OF BLAMING OTHER NATIONS FOR YOUR PEOPLES INADEQUATIES!."
Answer: America has always been the enemy and always will as long as we have something useful for you to steal. You're not that much different from Great Britain from the past, they were exactly the same, looted, raped, destryoed and killed and enjoyed other peoples wealth. You just do it behind "freedom" and "justice" and "democracy". Nothing has changed, in the past 100 years the U.S are the ones that have hurted us the MOST. Anyone arguing otherwise need to have their brains checked unless they've been living under a rock since their birth. I have all right to blame other nations for many of Iraq's current and past problems. Iraq have been conquered over and over (this is due to the fact that we are between Africa, Asia and Europe, we have no barriers to protect us from invasions, unlike the U.S which have oceans), each time we've been conquered we have been the ones who've suffered of it. Happened to the Sumerians, happened to the Assyrians, the Akkadians, the Babylonians and the Arabs. Now then, I'm not saying that exactly EVERY single problem in Iraq is the fault of foreign countries, that it is the fault of the U.S, the western world or our neighbhours. There's alot of problems created by us Iraqis, we have to take care of those problems and solve them ourselves, without being occupied by the largest factor to our situation today.
7. "I DO AGREE WITH NEUROTICA, I HOPE BARACK OBAMA IS THE NEXT AMERICAN PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WILL PULL TROOPS OUT IMMEDIATELY AND THE IRAQIS CAN SHOW THEIR COURAGE TO STAND ON THEIR OWN AGAINST THEIR ENEMIES AND SEE HOW FAR YOU GET THEN."
Answer: No one is saying that Iraq will be a paradise within several hours or years with your troops fulling out. I'm not expecting Iraq to became the Garden of Eden just like that, I believe in a big improvement without foreign troops on our soil. But I could be totally wrong about it, this is nothing but gambling. To put it simply:
5 years with you did us nothing good.
5 years without you MIGHT do us alot GOOD.
8. "PS: BY THE WAY YOU REALLY SHOWED YOUR LEVEL OF INTELLIGIENCE IN YOUR LAST POST. HERE'S AN IDEA THAT I THINK WOULD FIT YOU PERFECTLY, GET IN TOUCH WITH AL QAEDA AND SEE IF THEY NEED ANY SUICIDE BOMBERS THAT SEEMS TO BE ALL YOU ARE QUALIFIED FOR AND THE WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACW WITHOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU."
Answer: And this is exactly another reason of why the world dislike America more and more. I'm not even going to bother and explain to you why your last statement so stupid on many levels. But thanks for showing that you lump anyone who do not agree with your barbaric "liberation" with Al-Qaida. You pretty much showed me "You're with us or against us", could you possibly be one of Geroge Bush's daughters?
Anon,
Here's a video for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPgztL1W1hk
Nice propaganda video you got there. You realize I could have done exactly the same thing long ago by just posting a bunch of articles and videos? Yet I didn't do that, you should think of why I didn't choose to do that.
Anon,
I can only guess why you chose not to do that. My theory is that you are a very angry person because of events in your life and country. But atleast through your post you can have a voice to show how you feel about the Americans being in your country and yes the soldiers should have been taught your laws and beliefs before the government sent them to invade. I mean it's not like it was a surprise, Bush talked about invading Iraq months before it actually happened. My point is that you should not hate all Americans because of a few. Most Americans hate Bush and disagree or disagreed with the invasion in the first place. As we all know now, Bush lied about WMD's, lied about Saddam being associated with Al Qaida and numerous other lies that would take too long to post. So I by the November elections, your wish will come true because barack Obama will hopefully be the Next American president and he has stated in many speches that if he wins the nomination, he will immediately start pulling troops out of Iraq.
You're points of view are too biased toward Americains. You don't talk about any of their crimes, humiliation and torture.
Saddam's son raped many Iraq women, and what about the US soldiers and military police? They raped and humiliated a countless number of you're women, girls and boys in military camps and prisons. Even in front of their family members and other prisonners. Many witnesses and photos prove it. And that were not limited cases as the US goverment said.
I don't think that Iraq people had been so humiliated before, even with Saddam Hussein. Terrorisme, and fanatism ravaged Iraq after the US invasion not before.
Look how they destroyed and divided you're country and nation. You will continue to live under the threat of civil war and internal struggle. You're new goverment is not less sadistic and corrupted than the Saddam's one. You have just to look to their army and police pratices. Some westerners medias started talking about their secret bank accounts in Europe and the USA.
You have no liberty now, except, what US keeps for you. You're oil and you're country will be entirely controlled by foreigners for many years over.
May be things are better for yourself know, given the fact that you're working with the Americans. But what you think about others. The countless number of Iraq people who left the country to live in ghettos in the neighbouring one's, those who lost their families and their homes. Those who were wounded and mutilated. Those who were jailed, raped and tortured for spite, etc, ...
I am Tunisian. In my country, we fought against the French occupation before, and that was horrible! We sacrified all what we had in order to get back our independence and restore our sovereignty and proudness. We really cried deeply for Iraq. And naturally, we can neither stand, nor understand, those who back and defend foreigners, to invade, and occupy, their homes. That should be really shamefull for us!!
It is completely stupid to think even for a second that the US troops will withdraw with Obama venue. American have been enduring that painfull war to stay permanently in you're oil country. They are preparing security plans and permanent military basis.
The Iraq invasion is not a personal George Bush initiative. It is involved in an American plan that had been executed with G. Bush, that's it!
You seem to be like an American puppet. I am sorry to say it, but it is likely true.
Just a couple of points for the anonymous Iraqi commentator and for soufienefromtunisia:
The first thing you must understand is:
1. The occupation of Iraq has the blessing of the U.N., and;
2. The occupation of Iraq has the blessing of the government of Iraq.
Therefore: On both an international and nation level, the occupation is perfectly legal. All resistance to the legal occupation of Iraq is, ipso facto, illegal. While the Geneva Conventions (Article 68, 4th Geneva Convention) authorize the occupation forces to execute without trial all those "spies and sabateurs", the occupation forces have chosen to humanely turn them over (99% of them) to the national Iraqi authorities.
If the Iraqi commentator who claims that Iraqis want an immediate U.S. withdrawl, I have a plan for him:
1. The U.S. has already announced that it will withdraw from Iraq anytime the Iraqi government asks it to. It withdrew from the Phillipines in the 1990s following such a request.
2. Iraq is a democracy.
Therefore: Start a party that has as its platform the immediate end to the presense of U.S. forces. Ask for a donation from soufienefromtunisia; there are also forces in the U.S. itself from which millions of dollars could be raised as well. In the next election, run on that platform. See how many votes you get.
I must confess that I already know the answer to the question of how many votes you would get: very few. This is because -- at least for now -- Iraqis hate one another more than they hate the Americans. Every tribe/ethnic group in Iraq is hoping to "play the Americans" to advance its own interests. Unfortunately for them, the U.S. has no interest other than to keep Iraqis voting. We know that it will take generations for a nation like Iraq to achieve a true democratic culture and spirit.
And for soufienefromtunisia especially, the U.S. did not divide Iraqis. First the Iraqis did it themselves with their "Arab apartheid system" that placed Sunnis as "whites", Shiites as "kaffirs" and Kurds as "coloureds". Then Al Qaeda came in and offered rewards of $1,000 for every Shiite man, woman, and child killed.
And as for the "war for oil": Most of the oil is concentrated in the Kurdish north and the Shia south. The Kurds would give us oil for nothing so long as we protected them from the Turks, Persians, and Arabs. And we could have a similar arrangement in the south. The "Sunni Triangle" -- which produced 80% of the illegal resistance to the occupation -- is almost oil free. Therefore: If we were interested only in oil, why did we bother with the area that had no oil but lots of violence?
RRH
To That Anon from Texas.
"Iraq now is a democracy?"
Really amazing, a democracy with a civil war, sectarian goverment, deep social division, ...
The UN is against the war ... and so on, ...
Useless to discuss with a brainwashed Texan pig.
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